pilots refuse to fly with gun loons onboard

On Tue, 31 Dec 2003, Teacherjh wrote:

On the one aircraft where the passengers had an
inkling of what was really going on they apparently did fight back and died
trying to take control of the aircraft. In the case of Reid (the shoe bomber)
passengers reacted swiftly and decisively.

Which goes to show how silly it is to take weapons away from passengers. Now
tell me, if you were a terrorist, which airplane would you prefer to board -
the one with security, or the one without?

Obviously the one without security is far more vulnerable.

However, you seem to be equating pax-with-guns with security, with no
evidence to back you up. Last week someone posted the "Archie Bunker
security plan" (give every pax a handgun) which made the same error...

Frankly, given a choice between flying commercially on a plane where
everyone had a gun, and a plane where nobody had a gun, I'd run, not walk,
to board the gun-free aircraft. Flying seems to turn some people into
real a**holes - do you really, really want these folks to be drunk *and*
armed?

You'll note that in the shoe-bomber incident, the pax & crew managed quite
well without firearms. Given how crowded commercial flights are, the
chances of a friendly-fire incident (someone hitting another passenger)
seem far too high.

I'm not at all opposed to armed sky marshals, though. The difference being
that the marshals will be *professional* law enforcement officers, not
just random passengers with sidearms. Similarly, whatever the marshals are
armed with will hopefully be appropriate - frangible bullets, etc.

The American ideal of "safety through arming everyone" really is alien to
most of the rest of Western civilization. Thankfully.

Brian.

" Bogart " wrote in
s.com:

[snip]

Maybe you 'fraidy cats would like us to loan you some properly trained
US Sky Marshals?

Brits already have some folks trained to do that sort of thing.
Maybe the SAS would like to have free trips to the US on a random
basis. Trying to take over an aircraft carrying an armed bunch
of SAS members would be distinctly problematic.
Trouble is there aren't many of them but even the threat of such
an eventuality might give the skunks pause to reflect.

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In article , nick says...

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots' union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

Pizza loving anti-Semite points out that British pilots would rather fly into
buildings than have armed POLICE on board.

They're as big a bunch of netwits as Jew hater Nick.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.

In talk.politics.guns Chris Morton wrote:

In article , nick says...

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots' union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

Pizza loving anti-Semite points out that British pilots would rather fly into
buildings than have armed POLICE on board.

They're as big a bunch of netwits as Jew hater Nick.

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down as a
precautionary measure.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:44:42 GMT, Mongo Jones
wrote:

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down as a
precautionary measure.

Heh, that's essentially what we've told them in not so many words, ie
diplomatically.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:44:42 GMT, Mongo Jones wrote:

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down as a
precautionary measure.

oh-yeah. You are representing the average American viewpoint. And _you_
wonder why you face such reaction all over the world?

sheeeesh.

you deserve to be isolated from the civilized world as long as you thing
and speak like that.

#m

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oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

you deserve to be isolated from the civilized world as long as you thing
and speak like that.

we have a freedom of speech that tends to prevent that from happening.
thank God.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:12:19 -0600, Jeff Franks wrote:


you deserve to be isolated from the civilized world as long as you thing
and speak like that.

we have a freedom of speech that tends to prevent that from happening.

I am not so sure about that.

thank God.

whom?
;-)

#m
--
harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

"Jeff Franks" wrote in message
...

you deserve to be isolated from the civilized world as long as you thing
and speak like that.

we have a freedom of speech that tends to prevent that from happening.
thank God.

That freedom of speech also confirms what a bunch of assholes most Americans
appear to be. Freedom of speech is not always your best friend. You need to
think be fore you speak.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:44:42 GMT, Mongo Jones
wrote:

In talk.politics.guns Chris Morton wrote:

In article , nick says...

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots' union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

Pizza loving anti-Semite points out that British pilots would rather fly into
buildings than have armed POLICE on board.

They're as big a bunch of netwits as Jew hater Nick.

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down as a
precautionary measure.

And you honestly wonder why the rest of the world has such a low
opinion of America?
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