Certificate- Wallet or Bag?

"Jeff Franks" wrote

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Robert,
but your about to get flamed.

No, but you are. You're = you are, not your.

Bob Moore

Thanks Mrs. Ellis. I hope to do better in the fourth grade.


"Robert Moore" wrote in message
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"Jeff Franks" wrote

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Robert,
but your about to get flamed.

No, but you are. You're = you are, not your.

Bob Moore


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It's not quite analagous, but my father was asked by a policeman for his
amateur radio license. Dad, my wife, and I are all licensed and have state of
Ohio issued callplate license plates; it's a specific automobile license plate
category in Ohio and has "amateur radio" embossed below the license plate
number, which is the amateur radio station callsign. I'll guess that it was
intended to permit police to know which cars are likely to have emergency
communication equipment, but it's mostly taken as a cheap vanity plate by the
ham community. Apparently the police request is legal and must be honored; I
don't know if there's actually a penalty for not having the license, and I've
never seen an Ohio law saying that the certificate has to be on the driver's
person. Federal law (FCC regs) do say that the license has to be immediately
available when the licensee is exercising the priveleges of his radio
transmitting license. Dad was incensed, I looked into it a little bit, found
that it happens occasionally, reportedly more in Michigan than in Ohio.

On the other hand, the license plate is a governmental identification. I can't
imagine police having any right to do anything on the basis of an American Radio
Relay League sticker on your car.


David (PP-instr.)
Amateur Radio Station AD8Y

Jeff Franks wrote:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Robert, but your about to get flamed.

This group historically looks down on anyone who likes their license/cert to
be something worth showing off. We're supposed to spend $5k on our
hobby/profession, then tuck it in our wallet and never let it out. As
pilots, we're above such petty things...............yea....right.

As for your question, I think its a bit of overthinking. My understanding
of the Fed's rules is that only a representative of the administrator can
require you to show it....but that was pre-9/11. Depending on your state
laws, yes, a cop can ask to see your certificate, but why would he? If you
were at the airport or on the ramp, then I might understand their need...er
desire to prove who you are. But just driving down the road, I can't
imagine a policeman so hardup as to ask for your license based on your AOPA
sticker. Heck, I was a AOPA member for 15 years before I was a AO or a P
Just tell them your a wannabe.

jeff

Truth be known, most local police probably don't know that they have the
"right" to ask for it.
wrote in message
om...
Yea! With my change of address I am finally relieved of the old
dot-matrix paper certificate. The fancy new holographic plastic
license came in today's mail! I get to write my name right over ole
Wilber n' Orville! (Made my pilgrimage to Kiity Hawk in November)

Question

Where do you keep your certificate? I have always read that if
stopped by the police on the road they have the right to "see" your
license (AOPA decal in rear window). We've also been cautioned to just
let the officer "see" the certificate and never to actually "hand" it
over. Since we must have it with us when we fly, is it better to keep
it in the flight bag as I've always done? I don't always have the bag
in the car.

I guess I really already know the answer.... just excited to finally
have something to be proud of after all these years. But I AM curious.
Where do you keep yours?


Robert Haigh
LWM 'n BED

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:48:52 GMT, David Kazdan wrote:

It's not quite analagous, but my father was asked by a policeman for his
amateur radio license. Dad, my wife, and I are all licensed and have state of
Ohio issued callplate license plates; it's a specific automobile license plate
category in Ohio and has "amateur radio" embossed below the license plate
number, which is the amateur radio station callsign. I'll guess that it was
intended to permit police to know which cars are likely to have emergency
communication equipment, but it's mostly taken as a cheap vanity plate by the
ham community. Apparently the police request is legal and must be honored; I
don't know if there's actually a penalty for not having the license, and I've
never seen an Ohio law saying that the certificate has to be on the driver's
person. Federal law (FCC regs) do say that the license has to be immediately
available when the licensee is exercising the priveleges of his radio
transmitting license. Dad was incensed, I looked into it a little bit, found
that it happens occasionally, reportedly more in Michigan than in Ohio.


Actually, I'm pretty sure that FCC regs DON'T require you to have
license available when exercising the privledges.

I remember being told that I could exercise my license after seeing my
newly issued callsign in the FCC's online database.

"Marcus Walls" wrote in message ...

Actually, I'm pretty sure that FCC regs DON'T require you to have
license available when exercising the privledges.

Not anymore.

I remember being told that I could exercise my license after seeing my
newly issued callsign in the FCC's online database.

This is new in the past few years. Before you had to wait until you got the paper.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message . ..

"Marcus Walls" wrote in message ...

Actually, I'm pretty sure that FCC regs DON'T require you to have
license available when exercising the privledges.

Not anymore.

Sorry, that sounds ambiguous. What I was saying is that it is NO LONGER
required that you have the certificate in your possession.


I remember being told that I could exercise my license after seeing my
newly issued callsign in the FCC's online database.

This is new in the past few years. Before you had to wait until you got the paper.

Sure enough. From the FCC rules Q&A on their web page:

Q. Can I operate my station as soon as I see that information about my amateur
operator/primary station license grant appears on the amateur service data base?

A. Yes. You have authority to operate when the information about your license
grant appears on the data base.

Q. Does this mean that I don't have to wait until the license document arrives
in the mail?

A. That is correct. You do not have to have the license document in your
possession in order to operate an amateur station at a location where
communications are regulated by the FCC. See Part 97. Appendix 1.

Perhaps this was different in 1970 when I first took my Novice exam? My memory
is pretty strong that despite getting mail from The Little Print Shop, a QSL
printer in Texas whose owner must have waited outside the FCC building every day
to get the new license postings and send advertisements, I had to wait for the
license itself before I was supposed to operate my transmitter. Maybe not.

David

Marcus Walls wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:48:52 GMT, David Kazdan wrote:

person. Federal law (FCC regs) do say that the license has to be immediately
available when the licensee is exercising the priveleges of his radio
transmitting license. Dad was incensed, I looked into it a little bit, found
that it happens occasionally, reportedly more in Michigan than in Ohio.


Actually, I'm pretty sure that FCC regs DON'T require you to have
license available when exercising the privledges.

I remember being told that I could exercise my license after seeing my
newly issued callsign in the FCC's online database.

"Jeff Franks" wrote in message ...
snip
As for your question, I think its a bit of overthinking. My understanding
of the Fed's rules is that only a representative of the administrator can
require you to show it....but that was pre-9/11.

Your understanding would be incorrect. FAA regs require you to show
your certificate to an FAA type and any law enforcement officer who
asks to see it.

That, of course, assumes that you have it with you. There is no FAA
reg requiring you to carry your cert. when you are not excercising the
privilege of said cert.

This is not post 9/11 stuff. That reg has been around for ever.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

wrote in message
om...
... I have always read that if
stopped by the police on the road they have the right to "see" your
license (AOPA decal in rear window). We've also been cautioned to
just
let the officer "see" the certificate and never to actually "hand"
it
over. Since we must have it with us when we fly, is it better to
keep
it in the flight bag as I've always done? I don't always have the
bag
in the car.

Who dreamt that one up? As clearly worded in state laws, local law
enforcement could only request to see the cert either before clearly
about to operate an aircraft or after observed having done so, or
stopped while taxiing. Or on the runway during takeoff like Walker
Texas Ranger does. Keep it in your wallet, though. If you leave your
flight bag in the FBO and land at a place where FAA is doing ramp
checks, you're going to have a Homer Simpson moment.

Fred F.

In article , TaxSrv
wrote:

If you leave your
flight bag in the FBO and land at a place where FAA is doing ramp
checks, you're going to have a Homer Simpson moment.

You are not required to submit to a ramp check.