Crosscountry.aero

Being an open platform it should be possible to pull flights from skylines.

In my opinion an even better idea would be to contribute new features to skylines
instead of building the basics from scratch for yet another platform. This would also make it easier to reach the critical mass for success.

Nonetheless, it's nice to see some new ideas being implemented and people contributing their spare time for the benefit of the soaring community.

Very nice display.

It would be nice to have altitude and position displayed at the same time with the slider bar. The overview page shows both, but with no slider bar. the map page with slider bar doesn't show altitude. It's interesting to correlated position and altitude.

While you're at it, if you were to implement US contest start, finish, and turnpoints it would be cool for evaluating contest flights.

John Cochrane

From a technical standpoint, this is easy to do. All that is required
is the consent of the person submitting the log file and some way to
identify their account in the different sites.

The issue of consent is important here. One cannot just go to SkyLines,
pull all the log files and then re-publish them on another site without
the original file contributor's permission.

There must be explicit consent from the contributing pilot to publish
flights on other sites.

In other words all that is needed for this to happen is agreement
between sites, from individual pilots and a small bit of work to make it
happen.



On 25/12/2012 21:52, son_of_flubber wrote:
On Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:25:56 PM UTC-5, Alexander Georgas wrote:
I hope that the various sites can eventually come to an

agreement to automatically cross-post flight data from pilots who

consent to do so.

What about a site that acts as a front end to automatically post a flight to all of the relevant sites?

Putting aside the fragmentation problem, I applaud your effort to innovate. Your site looks good and I like your general idea.

Hi John,

The link between barogram and map is being designed and will be
available very soon, in both pages.

In regards to contest flights, the functionality to evaluate IGC racing
tasks has already been created and will be introduced shortly in the
form of a decentralized competition around a task: Anyone can declare a
task and people who fly it will be ranked according to best speed around
the course (or distance achieved).

There are plans to introduce a more dedicated contest evaluation
function, but this is further down the list. That is unless of course it
proves to be a popular demand, in which case it could be developed as a
matter of priority.

Alexander Georgas


On 26/12/2012 00:13, wrote:
Very nice display.

It would be nice to have altitude and position displayed at the same time with the slider bar. The overview page shows both, but with no slider bar. the map page with slider bar doesn't show altitude. It's interesting to correlated position and altitude.

While you're at it, if you were to implement US contest start, finish, and turnpoints it would be cool for evaluating contest flights.

John Cochrane

What about a site that acts as a front end to automatically post a flight to all of the relevant sites?

On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Alexander Georgas wrote:
From a technical standpoint, this is easy to do.

The first site that implements a gateway to post my flights to my accounts on multiple sites, will win my loyalty.

There are plans to introduce a more dedicated contest evaluation
function, but this is further down the list. That is unless of course it
proves to be a popular demand, in which case it could be developed as a
matter of priority.

Alexander Georgas

On 26/12/2012 00:13, wrote:

Ok, guys, you heard it here. How about it, automated scoring for US
contests? Upload your file, at least you can check if you're getting
the right start, turns, finish, and penalties. Better yet, see all the
scores in real time..see all the flights in one place without
downloading a zip file from ssa.org and running both see you and
winscore... Run local contests with US rules.. Alexander says you
just have to ask!

John Cochrane

On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 5:01:13 AM UTC-8, Alexander Georgas wrote:
Hi John,



The link between barogram and map is being designed and will be

available very soon, in both pages.



In regards to contest flights, the functionality to evaluate IGC racing

tasks has already been created and will be introduced shortly in the

form of a decentralized competition around a task: Anyone can declare a

task and people who fly it will be ranked according to best speed around

the course (or distance achieved).



There are plans to introduce a more dedicated contest evaluation

function, but this is further down the list. That is unless of course it

proves to be a popular demand, in which case it could be developed as a

matter of priority.



Alexander Georgas





On 26/12/2012 00:13, wrote:

Very nice display.



It would be nice to have altitude and position displayed at the same time with the slider bar. The overview page shows both, but with no slider bar. the map page with slider bar doesn't show altitude. It's interesting to correlated position and altitude.



While you're at it, if you were to implement US contest start, finish, and turnpoints it would be cool for evaluating contest flights.



John Cochrane



This looks very promising! I just easily uploaded all my 2012 flights with one click and at first glance, they seemed to be scored right.
As other commented, being able to easily cross post to OLC, Skylines and Crosscountry is a must to prevent fragmentation of flight data.

few quick comments:
1 - The turquoise trace is hard to read.
2 - The average speed in the pilot stats page is calculated wrong.
3 - When posting to facebook, will be nice to show the trace in the thumbnail similar to OLC, instead of the site logo.

Ramy

Hi Ramy,

Thanks for your feedback.

There was indeed a problem with the average speed, which is quite
embarrassing! This has now been fixed.

Putting a map on facebook as the link picture presents a problem, as I
am using google maps instead of a custom-rendered height maps as OLC
does. I have created the functionality to draw maps based on height data
as OLC does, but I do not believe is is worth the overhead of loading
all the height data and rendering thumbs, just to show on facebook.

So I propose a compromise: I have now changed the behavior of the like
button and it will display a picture of the pilot. If a pilot has not
uploaded his/her picture, it will show a logo of the site. Which brings
me to another point: please upload your pictures and let's put faces to
the pilots out there! It is quite simple, just go to your logbook and
click on the placeholder pilot image (you have to be logged on to do this).

I will be happy to change the turquoise to some other color that will
work better, if there is a feeling out there that it doesn't work. But
remember, that the contrast should also work well for satellite images
which tend to have darker colors. I have also put a request on the to do
list for users to be able to adjust the color to their own liking (but
this will only work when they are logged in).

Alexander Georgas



This looks very promising! I just easily uploaded all my 2012 flights with one click and at first glance, they seemed to be scored right.
As other commented, being able to easily cross post to OLC, Skylines and Crosscountry is a must to prevent fragmentation of flight data.

few quick comments:
1 - The turquoise trace is hard to read.
2 - The average speed in the pilot stats page is calculated wrong.
3 - When posting to facebook, will be nice to show the trace in the thumbnail similar to OLC, instead of the site logo.

Ramy

Thanks Alexander.
Perhaps showing a thumbnail of flight performance will be more interesting than pilot photo.
As for the trace color, the dark blue OLC uses works very well on google map both in terrain and satellite mode ( unless you fly over water
The thin turquoise trace is barely noticeable...
Another nice feature you may want to consider is to be able to select multiple flights to show multiple traces similar to skylines.
And last suggestion (for now) is to let the user select which flight performance to show vs defaulting it to the highest score. For example a 1000km OLC looks better than 950km 3TP even if the 3TP gives slightly higher score

Ramy

The OLC has created a huge potential for gliding through the daily competition that takes place. But personally I welcome a bit of competition for the current OLC. I believe that our flights could give information on the areas we fly in. And in the current OLC setup the files a slightly less accessable. Also I would like my own flights always being rated in the same way.

So what do we now have next to the current OLC?
I like the interface that you guys have prepared. But also the clean layout of skylines looks refreshing.
The Brits went their own way. http://www.bgaladder.co.uk/Enquiry.asp The BGA has a wonderful tool to select the type of glider and to see how the other people have been doing with the same ship. But also clubselection is possible.

Finally the link to the French version: http://www.netcoupe.net/main.aspx

Within the gliding community we have a number of organisations. Wouldn't be great if one upload of our files would be shared between the platforms we could pre-set? This would still allow for diversity and for th different developers to play with their own ideas extensively before seeking compromises from the start. Maybe crosssharing between skylines and crosscountry could be a start. And with a BGA selectiontool implemented as well I will upload my files to this platform.