Simulated Engine Outs

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, EDR wrote:

In article , Cub Driver
wrote:

In small high wing planes (Ie 172, 152, 150) do you do/teach pulling
throttle all the back to idel? I've been told bring it to 1500 RPM, 1
notch of flaps. Not as hard on the engine

Crikey, the Cub will pretty much fly at 1500 rpm.
I bring it back to the stop. Then I goose it every couple or three
minutes--I've never noticed how frequently.

John, you have to remember that modern instructors do not teach
"clearing the engine" as we were taught with the Champs, Cubs, etc.

Really? I got my PPL in 2002, from an instructor who'd only being flying
for four years (yes, aviation's favourite whipping boy, the 21-year old
career-bound instructor...) and engine clearing every 1000ft or so was
absolutely standard procedure.

Some instructors might not teach it, but the club I'm with does at least.
(My instructor had been taught by our Chief Flight Instructor, who was
also my PPL flight test examiner...)

Brian.

Some instructors might not teach it, but the club I'm with does at least.
(My instructor had been taught by our Chief Flight Instructor, who was
also my PPL flight test examiner...)


That explains why he knows to clear the engine

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, BTIZ wrote:

Some instructors might not teach it, but the club I'm with does at least.
(My instructor had been taught by our Chief Flight Instructor, who was
also my PPL flight test examiner...)


That explains why he knows to clear the engine

Engine clearing is also mentioned explicitly as part of simulated engine
outs in Canadian training manuals.

As for my training arrangement, I really think I've lucked out. Having
heard so many horror stories on here and elsewhere about barely competent,
unsupervised instructors, shabbily run schools, and dodgy FBOs, it all
makes the Club seem even better. Our Chief Flight Instructor is usually a
DE as well, and trains most of the other instructors in the club; he
maintains the school side of the outfit to good standards. The business
side of the Club is equally well run - last weekend one of the new office
staff messed up a plane booking I phoned in, and the manager, without
hesitation, gave me a 30% discount on the next booking I made...

Brian.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 at 23:19:07 in message
c.ca, Brian Burger
wrote:
Really? I got my PPL in 2002, from an instructor who'd only being flying
for four years (yes, aviation's favourite whipping boy, the 21-year old
career-bound instructor...) and engine clearing every 1000ft or so was
absolutely standard procedure.

As it was also presented to me when I had flying lessons in 1954!

--
David CL Francis

"David CL Francis" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 at 23:19:07 in message
c.ca, Brian Burger
wrote:
Really? I got my PPL in 2002, from an instructor who'd only being flying
for four years (yes, aviation's favourite whipping boy, the 21-year old
career-bound instructor...) and engine clearing every 1000ft or so was
absolutely standard procedure.

As it was also presented to me when I had flying lessons in 1954!

--
David CL Francis

Clearing the engine when an airport is not at hand seems like a prudent
procedure. I have had instructors let me take it all the way to 200 feet
within a farmer's field - clearing the engine periodically all the way down.
Over an airport, throttle to idle all the way to touchdown. This combination
of training seems like a good combination to me.

-------------------------------
Travis

"EDR" wrote in message
...
In article , Cub Driver
wrote:

In small high wing planes (Ie 172, 152, 150) do you do/teach pulling
throttle all the back to idel? I've been told bring it to 1500 RPM, 1
notch of flaps. Not as hard on the engine

Crikey, the Cub will pretty much fly at 1500 rpm.
I bring it back to the stop. Then I goose it every couple or three
minutes--I've never noticed how frequently.

John, you have to remember that modern instructors do not teach
"clearing the engine" as we were taught with the Champs, Cubs, etc.

Well, yes they are. In fact, it is specifically mentioned in the commercial
pilot PTS in the United States. I think it should be taught to private
pilots as well.

I was demonstrating engine outs last sunday... Temp was about 4F... Taxiied
all the way in and shut down - and the blades went into feather on both
engines... mutter mumble..
Restarted shaking, quaking and banging until the blades unfeathered Ran
the engines up to 1500 to set the locks, idled, and then shut down...
*^(%#$@ blades feathered again... really mutter, mumble and other anglo
saxon entreaties
Started up again shake, quake and rattle - entire airport now watching and
pointing once the blades unfurled ran the engines up to full throttle for
20 seconds each, idled, and shut down... Stayed at flat pitch finally.. The
feathering pins were stiff in the cold and once retracted, the usual 800 rpm
not enough to sling them back out... Be careful about simulated this or
that in extreme temps..
denny

"Cub Driver" wrote in I bring it back to the
stop. Then I goose it every couple or three
minutes--I've never noticed how frequently.


all the best -- Dan Ford

In article , BoDEAN
wrote:

In small high wing planes (Ie 172, 152, 150) do you do/teach pulling
throttle all the back to idel? I've been told bring it to 1500 RPM, 1
notch of flaps. Not as hard on the engine

It's much more exciting to pull the mixture!

I new and instructor that would move the single C-150 fuel shut off valve to
off in the traffic pattern, he did it once to many times, he was left
holding the valve handle.

BT

"EDR" wrote in message
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In article , BoDEAN
wrote:

In small high wing planes (Ie 172, 152, 150) do you do/teach pulling
throttle all the back to idel? I've been told bring it to 1500 RPM, 1
notch of flaps. Not as hard on the engine

It's much more exciting to pull the mixture!

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:jZfXb.16636$IF1.12161@fed1read01...
I new and instructor that would move the single C-150 fuel shut off valve to
off in the traffic pattern, he did it once to many times, he was left
holding the valve handle.

BT

Which is why I never fly without a Leatherman :-)