Kerry's coming to OSH

"Dave S" wrote in message
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I was wondering at what point secret service kicked in for potential
candidates.. wouldnt that be the epitome of irony...

A no fly zone at Osh.. just like the no fly zone at FFA...

Dave


SS coverage starts pretty much when the nomination is assured.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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[...] I somehow suspect that the United
States would have its foreign enemies no matter what it did.

Yes, you're right. Of course it would. Not all enemies are creations of
one's own actions. Often, enemies are created by someone else with a
propaganda machine and an agenda.

Frankly, I think bin Laden's group falls into that category. Sure, we've
screwed up in the Middle East, but a) it's not like they're doing such a
great job of it themselves, and b) we haven't meddled enough to warrant the
kind of religious fervor being directed at us and other Western
civilizations, IMHO (obviously, they would disagree ).

Pete

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"C J Campbell" wrote:
Although I voted for him, I have to say that Harry Browne is an idiot. He
believes that the Secret Service is unnecessary and that there would be no
terrorist attacks if the US did not interfere in other countries' affairs.
If government were smaller and less powerful, he believes, then the
President would not be a target for assassins. This is demonstrably stupid.
The government was much smaller and less powerful than what even Browne
advocates when Lincoln was assassinated. I somehow suspect that the United
States would have its foreign enemies no matter what it did.


As long as the United States remains a free and prosperous nation
willing to stand up to our enemies, we will be despised by someone
always. While the federal government has grown far beyond the limits
provided in the US Constitution, the duty of the federal government to
protect the nation from foreign enemies has always been and will always
be.

Ultimately, the Secret Service wouldn't be doing their job if they
didn't want to keep the President and anyone else they protect in a
sealed box, and those protected public officials or candidates wouldn't
be doing their job if they didn't temper this enthusiasm for security
with their obligation to the people.

As for John Kerry's desire to visit OSH, I'm not impressed, unless you
can tell me that he's visited fly-ins before he became a candidate. A
candidate's willingness to show up for a photo op and good PR doesn't in
any way indicate his attitude toward aviation or anything else.



JKG

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Okay, this guy can't be all bad. He's ridden a motorcycle to Milwaukee,
*and* he's flown into OSH?

He was interviewed yesterday in currently-frozen OSH, saying that he was
working hard to arrange for his campaign to be there during the fly-in.

I may not like his politics, but at least he's got his priorities
straight!

:-)


Taxing all you rich, *******, airplane owners?

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The government was much smaller and less powerful than what even Browne
advocates when Lincoln was assassinated. I somehow suspect that the United
States would have its foreign enemies no matter what it did.

Lincoln was the one who set it on it's path of overarching power that it
employs today. From that point on, the president was more a ruler than a
governor. But, yes, Browne, like the rest of the anarchist wing of the LP,
have a very superficial view of what causes various problems. Like most
libertarians, they confuse liberty with "license". It's a very childish
perspective.

C J Campbell opined

"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
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Lincoln is a bad example. A war time president needs a body guard.
Garfield
(1881) and McKinley (1901) might be better examples.



-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

But Cthulhu wouldn't need a bodyguard. In fact, he (it?) probably would not
even need a cabinet. And we sure wouldn't have any problem dealing with
thugs like Osama and Saddam. Hmmmmm. Now where did I put my copy of the
Necronimicon?

The policy of the Great One would be to eat all assasins. As well as everyone
else.


-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

Better hope Bush doesn't decide to show up in his rented flight suit and
TFR!

--
Roger Long

I am deeply suspicious of any man like Kerry who incites class warfare, envy
politics, punitive taxation of the most productive, character assassination,
etc., but if he were to come to OSH I would cheerfully show him around and
try to convert him into an airplane nut - not that I have a snowball's
chance in hell of getting near him in the first place...
denny

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in . A
candidate's willingness to show up for a photo op and good PR doesn't in
any way indicate his attitude toward aviation or anything else.

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
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I am deeply suspicious of any man like Kerry who incites class warfare,
envy
politics, punitive taxation of the most productive, character
assassination,
etc., but if he were to come to OSH I would cheerfully show him around and
try to convert him into an airplane nut - not that I have a snowball's
chance in hell of getting near him in the first place...
denny

Iranian Terror Caucus http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000279.html

At the risk of sounding unpatriotic.. I agree with some of what you were
criticizing. America has actively earned the hatred of many abroad by
virtue of our foriegn policy and active meddling in the affairs of other
countries. We have supported former dictators on several occasions who
later we moved to depose when they no longer served our needs. We have a
reputation for being arrogant, impolite, demanding and hypocritical.

Don't get me wrong. I'm proud to be an American. I'm grateful that I
live in a land where I can disagree with the government and the majority
and live to talk about it. But at the risk of getting WAY off topic
here, I harbor the opinion that we as a collective nation have gone way
out of our way to rub other peoples noses in our percieved greatness. Up
until this most recent presidential administration, I considered myself
pretty solidly aligned with the Republican party, but the most recent
President and his "Go It Alone" stance that he undertook WELL before
9/11 has led me to reconsider my political affiliations.

Regardless of the international picture, the greatest threat to the
President (historically speaking) has been from citizens of our own
country. I can't recall a single assasination or attempt on a President
that was proven to have happened from the act of a Foreign national.

OK.. enough rambling.. I hope I can afford to make OSH this year. I laid
out last year, and I have to admit.. I really missed it.

Dave

C J Campbell wrote:
"Dave S" wrote in message
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I was wondering at what point secret service kicked in for potential
candidates.. wouldnt that be the epitome of irony...



The Secret Service sends details to each of the likely candidates' homes and
moves in on the nominee the moment the vote is cast, setting up guards and
installing security devices. The nominee is likely to be at the convention,
so he will be surrounded by the SS detail already on station there. The
nominee will not be able to take one step toward the podium to make his
acceptance speech without his bodyguards. The TFR will already be in place
around the convention center and will have been there since before the start
of the convention.

There seems to be this huge misunderstanding that Presidents or candidates
cannot visit airshows without shutting the place down. In fact, they do go
to these events and the Secret Service negotiates security precautions with
the FAA. OSH might be tricky, though. Many aircraft going to OSH are
actually landing at nearby fields. A lot of them have no transponder or
radio, or even any electrical system of any kind. If Kerry or Bush were to
attend an event of this nature it would be over the most vehement objections
of the Secret Service.

If the SS had its way, candidates would only be allowed to campaign from
secure rooms via television feeds with no reporters or anyone else present.
The President would spend his entire career in a sealed box. The Mall and
Capitol Hill would become like Beijing's Forbidden City, with only security
and absolutely essential personnel allowed on the grounds. The Secret
Service understands that this is never going to happen, so they constantly
are negotiating their need for security against the President's need to meet
the public.

Although I voted for him, I have to say that Harry Browne is an idiot. He
believes that the Secret Service is unnecessary and that there would be no
terrorist attacks if the US did not interfere in other countries' affairs.
If government were smaller and less powerful, he believes, then the
President would not be a target for assassins. This is demonstrably stupid.
The government was much smaller and less powerful than what even Browne
advocates when Lincoln was assassinated. I somehow suspect that the United
States would have its foreign enemies no matter what it did.