XCSoar / LK8000

On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:33:43 PM UTC+1, Paul Remde wrote:
Hi Marco,



I find it hard to believe that the Vertica V2 is brighter than the Oudie 2

Lite. Did you compare them in bright sunlight? If so, please provide

photos for comparison.



It is my understanding that the Oudie 2 Lite is considerably faster and has

faster screen updates than the V2.



It is easy to have both SeeYou Mobile and XCSoar installed on the Oudie 2

Lite. You can select in the settings screens which program is run

automatically at startup.



Best Regards,



Paul Remde

Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

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"Marco" wrote in message




On Sunday, March 10, 2013 3:11:53 AM UTC+1, MNLou wrote:

I am about to make my first foray into the world of soaring software.







I will, most likely, be using a Naviter Oudie Lite hooked up to a

Cambridge 302. My focus will be cross country flight (versus contest

flying) for the foreseeable future.







I have read reviews and comments about both XCSoar and LK8000. They both

appear to be fine products with excellent functionality.







I would be interested in your comments on ease of use (both on the ground

and in the air), learning curve / ease of set up, and if one is better

suited for cross country flying.







Thanks in advance for your help!



Why not take the Vertika into account as well. In fact: I bought the Oudie

light and a friend the Vertika. Both devices are very similar but if I had

to make a new purchase the Vertika a a slight edge over the Oudie for the

following reasons:

1. Vertika platform is just a Windows platform, making it possible to

install several programs. In the Oudie case once you have choosen to install

XCSoar it is not possible to return to CU. I now have a way to run CU as

default and to run XCSoar from my SDcard but shutting down the device after

I have run XCSoar is not straightforward. I now need to reset the device,

restart in CU mode and then choose the shutdown option after pressing the

power-off button. Currently the software is not designed to accomodate

several pilots sharing one device with different types of software.

2. The Vertika is slightly brighter than the Oudie. Both are excellent

compared to the old PDAs but the Vertika has a slight edge. It might consume

more power as a consequence though. That detail I do not have.



The first reason would for me trigger the choice to Vertika; the second is

nice to have but not very important.
No pictures taken. You have to take my word for it. But both my friend (the happy Vertica owner) and myself (the quite happy Oudie owner) agreed. The sun was out but the sky was a bit hazy. The sun was still 2 hours from setting and I had both devices on a table inbetween us and the sun. But please read what I wrote: the softwareshell used in the Oudie is not very flexible when you want to alternate between both programs. The Vertica is easier to use. Yes you can make the choice as you decribe but reversing to CU mobile is less simple. This would for me be the decisive factor to buy the Vertica if there would be a need to replace my Oudie. Both screens are perfect for use in the sun, certainly when compared to the PDA I was using before.

Hi Paul,

No pictures taken. You have to take my word for it. But both my friend (the happy Vertica owner) and myself (the quite happy Oudie owner) agreed. The sun was out but the sky was a bit hazy. The sun was still 2 hours from setting and I had both devices on a table in between us and the sun. But please read what I wrote: the software shell used in the Oudie is not very flexible when you want to alternate between both programs. The Vertica is easier to use. Yes you can make the choice as you describe but reversing to CU mobile is less simple. This would for me be the decisive factor to buy the Vertica if there would be a need to replace my Oudie. Both screens are perfect for use in the sun, certainly when compared to the PDA I was using before..

Marco

No pictures taken. You may take my word for it. But both my friend (the happy Vertica owner) and myself (the quite happy Oudie owner) agreed. The sun was out but the sky was a bit hazy. Sunset was a good 2 hours away and I had both devices on a table in between us and the sun and looked at the screen from a 30 degree angle. But please read what I wrote: the software shell used in the Oudie is not very flexible when you want to alternate between both programs eg when you share your glider. The Vertica is easier to use. Yes you can make the choice as you describe but reversing to CU mobile is less simple. This would for me be the decisive factor to buy the Vertica if there would be a need to replace my Oudie. Both screens are perfect for use in the sun, certainly when compared to the PDA I was using before.The Vertica does have the edge though. For the Oudie I would rate 9.5 out of 10 which is not bad.

Marco

Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 15:29:07 UTC+1 schreef Marco het volgende:
Hi Paul,

No pictures taken. You may take my word for it. But both my friend (the happy Vertica owner) and myself (the quite happy Oudie owner) agreed. The sun was out but the sky was a bit hazy. Sunset was a good 2 hours away and I had both devices on a table in between us and the sun and looked at the screen from a 30 degree angle. But please read what I wrote: the software shell used in the Oudie is not very flexible when you want to alternate between both programs eg when you share your glider. The Vertica is easier to use.. Yes you can make the choice as you describe but reversing to CU mobile is less simple. This would for me be the decisive factor to buy the Vertica if there would be a need to replace my Oudie. Both screens are perfect for use in the sun, certainly when compared to the PDA I was using before.The Vertica does have the edge though. For the Oudie I would rate 9.5 out of 10 which is not bad.



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On Sunday, 10 March 2013 02:11:53 UTC, MNLou wrote:
I am about to make my first foray into the world of soaring software.



I will, most likely, be using a Naviter Oudie Lite hooked up to a Cambridge 302. My focus will be cross country flight (versus contest flying) for the foreseeable future.



I have read reviews and comments about both XCSoar and LK8000. They both appear to be fine products with excellent functionality.



I would be interested in your comments on ease of use (both on the ground and in the air), learning curve / ease of set up, and if one is better suited for cross country flying.



Thanks in advance for your help!

On the choice of hardware, between Oudie 2 and Vertica V2/GliderGuider/WingsandWheels AVier (all the same unit), there are pros and cons. The Oudie 2 uses less battery (probably c 0.2 Ah vs 0.3 Ah, in either case I suggest plugging into the glider fully charged), and has more internal memory and a faster processor which seems to give faster screen redrawing. The Vertica etc has an internal GPS which is more suitable for gliding and so is the device I would recommend if you expect to use the internal GPS rather than always rely on an external GPS source. I bought the GliderGuider to replace my original model Oudie - the GliderGuider was good value in the UK and came with excellent service. I am running SeeYou Mobile on it, which for me makes the things I do often easier than the free programs.

On Monday, March 11, 2013 6:01:31 AM UTC-7, waremark wrote:
On Sunday, 10 March 2013 02:11:53 UTC, MNLou wrote:

I am about to make my first foray into the world of soaring software.







I will, most likely, be using a Naviter Oudie Lite hooked up to a Cambridge 302. My focus will be cross country flight (versus contest flying) for the foreseeable future.







I have read reviews and comments about both XCSoar and LK8000. They both appear to be fine products with excellent functionality.







I would be interested in your comments on ease of use (both on the ground and in the air), learning curve / ease of set up, and if one is better suited for cross country flying.







Thanks in advance for your help!



On the choice of hardware, between Oudie 2 and Vertica V2/GliderGuider/WingsandWheels AVier (all the same unit), there are pros and cons. The Oudie 2 uses less battery (probably c 0.2 Ah vs 0.3 Ah, in either case I suggest plugging into the glider fully charged), and has more internal memory and a faster processor which seems to give faster screen redrawing. The Vertica etc has an internal GPS which is more suitable for gliding and so is the device I would recommend if you expect to use the internal GPS rather than always rely on an external GPS source. I bought the GliderGuider to replace my original model Oudie - the GliderGuider was good value in the UK and came with excellent service. I am running SeeYou Mobile on it, which for me makes the things I do often easier than the free programs.

Guys; are the Oudie2 Vertica2/Avier the same physical size ? Are the cables interchangeable? I'm considering to buy the Vertica2 as a backup and as a platform to try other software programs without having to change wiring and cradle. Can't really get a straight answer.
Thanks in advanced. 6PK

Oudie 2 and the others are extremely close in size, but mount differently in the brackets they come with.

The interface cables are different, mainly because the Vertica/Avier/GliderGuider has 2 serial ports sharing the same 10 pin mini-usb socket, whereas the Oudie uses a 5 pin mini USB socket. The Oudie comes with an appropriate interface cable for most connections, with the others the suppliers offer appropriate cables as extras.

All these units are excellent. The screens really are superb - nothing to choose between them.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:21:25 PM UTC-7, waremark wrote:
Oudie 2 and the others are extremely close in size, but mount differently in the brackets they come with.



The interface cables are different, mainly because the Vertica/Avier/GliderGuider has 2 serial ports sharing the same 10 pin mini-usb socket, whereas the Oudie uses a 5 pin mini USB socket. The Oudie comes with an appropriate interface cable for most connections, with the others the suppliers offer appropriate cables as extras.



All these units are excellent. The screens really are superb - nothing to choose between them.

Thank you very kindly 6PK

I'm using LK8000 and I'm quite happy with it. At the time I compared LK8000 with XCSoar the LK8000 had huge advantages in usability (for me most important at that time the multi target feature). So I don't know whether XCS has catched up and I don't mind.

For tests with real igc files you can use also IGC Replay