Airplane Ownership

Soon_To_Fly wrote:

Where did you get your Musketeer? Is there enough of these around still for
second hand purchases?

A recent TAP has two listed, one for a bit over 31k.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

http://www.aso.com/i.aso/ForSaleListing.jsp

Soon_To_Fly wrote:
Where did you get your Musketeer? Is there enough of these around still for
second hand purchases?

I switched from gliders (lot's of racing and cc) to planes about 5-6 years
ago. Always thought I would ultimately like to do both but time and
situation changed... I ended up buying and flying a Maule.

I would suggest not buying yet.

Anything is cheaper than owning. But owning is definitely worth it if you
want the freedom it provides.

Unless the financial commitment is not an issue, it may make sense to fly
more, experience more, and figure out what you really want to do. And
figure out what various a/c have to offer. Then buy.

In my case, I envisioned just punching holes around the residential airpark
we moved too. I was thinking Citabria. My mate said, "where will my bags
go?" I explained that a 2 place is a 1 place + bags and that a 4 place is a
2 place with bags. "Then we need a 4 place". I couldn't envision really
doing that much serious travel but couldn't resist the logic.

Turned out that the combination of living with the a/c, owning, and new
friends 120 road miles away made short distance, frequent travel the main
mission. The Maule fit perfectly. I NEVER go and punch holes, I did go get
an instrument ticket, commercial, etc. Now we are interested in seeing
friends in FL and NY more often so something faster would make sense but the
short trip works so well...

Sold the glider and never regretted it (totally unexpected). Travel a lot
(totally unexpected). Never go to airshows, $100 breakfasts, and such
(totally unexpected). The point is, it took awhile and some collaboration
before the right mount could be chosen.

That's my .02cents.

"Shirley" wrote in message
...
Anyone here buy their own airplane to do their training in before being
licensed? I am a glider pilot transitioning to power. Any
suggestions/recommendations, advice, cautions? Thanks in advance.

Thanks to all for your comments. In response, not looking to choose between
gliders and airplanes ... without a doubt, each have their own challenges and
satisfactions. Right now, I just want to finish up the airplane rating and am
weighing the pros and cons of ownership vs. renting, keeping in mind the
stumbling blocks I have run across so far.

I appreciate the tips and insight, thanks for sharing your experiences.
Shirley

"Shirley" wrote in message
...
Thanks to all for your comments. In response, not looking to choose
between
gliders and airplanes ... without a doubt, each have their own challenges
and
satisfactions.

Believe me, I wasn't suggesting you were or should. It was just my path.
I'm still amazed at being willing and able to walk away from something that
I obsessed about for so many years. I was in as deep as I could get, then
just switched.

Have fun!

I would rent until you really know what you want. Buying and selling
airplanes can be expensive and you want to do it as few times as possible.
Now that new airplanes are all getting glass cockpits, the days of used
airplane appreciaton are over.

Mike
MU-2

"Shirley" wrote in message
...
Anyone here buy their own airplane to do their training in before being
licensed? I am a glider pilot transitioning to power. Any
suggestions/recommendations, advice, cautions? Thanks in advance.

This sounds like a thread unto itself. I don't have input but would love to
hear others comment....

"Mike Rapoport"
....Now that new airplanes are all getting glass cockpits, the days of
used
airplane appreciaton are over.

I believe that the reason that airplanes have appreciated is that the older
ones have been, for all practical purposes, equal to the new ones. With the
advent of the glass cockpit, his is no longer true.

Mike
MU-2


"Maule Driver" wrote in message
. com...
This sounds like a thread unto itself. I don't have input but would love
to
hear others comment....

"Mike Rapoport"
....Now that new airplanes are all getting glass cockpits, the days of
used
airplane appreciaton are over.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote:
I believe that the reason that airplanes have appreciated is that
the older ones have been, for all practical purposes, equal to the
new ones. With the advent of the glass cockpit, his is no
longer true.

I don't agree that the glass cockpits add a tremendous amount of real
value over old instruments combined with an MFD. Consider the
experience of Cirrus Designs, which believed, naively, it turned out,
that glass cockpits would make their airplanes notably safer than older
designs. The only thing I find really exciting about the new designs is
the electronic AHRS which finally supplants the old pneumatic gyros.

Sheer pizzazz is selling new glass cockpit airplanes now, but when they
get old enough for the used market, it's uncertain that they will
command a large premium. Will prices of used 2003 Skylanes be depressed
$50K vs. 2004 ones? It's hard for me to picture myself paying that kind
of premium for just the pretty boxes.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

Cessna sold out an entire years 182 and 206 production in one hour following
the announcement that they would have the G1000. That tells me that people
desire glass cockpits. You should also know that the glass cockpits are
cheaper than the analog gauges that they replace. I would hate to be the
guy who bought the last non-glass 182.

Mike
MU-2





"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Mike Rapoport" wrote:
I believe that the reason that airplanes have appreciated is that
the older ones have been, for all practical purposes, equal to the
new ones. With the advent of the glass cockpit, his is no
longer true.

I don't agree that the glass cockpits add a tremendous amount of real
value over old instruments combined with an MFD. Consider the
experience of Cirrus Designs, which believed, naively, it turned out,
that glass cockpits would make their airplanes notably safer than older
designs. The only thing I find really exciting about the new designs is
the electronic AHRS which finally supplants the old pneumatic gyros.

Sheer pizzazz is selling new glass cockpit airplanes now, but when they
get old enough for the used market, it's uncertain that they will
command a large premium. Will prices of used 2003 Skylanes be depressed
$50K vs. 2004 ones? It's hard for me to picture myself paying that kind
of premium for just the pretty boxes.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)