Using the magenta circles

That was my impression, too, CJ. And I'm in the Midwest where we don't
have to worry about mountains. I just have a hard time picturing
someone following their progress on a sectional flying under a ceiling
of 1,000 feet and dipping below 700 feet AGL everytime they approach
an airport with a magenta circle around it.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
There are people who try to remain in class G airspace in order to stay VFR,
including those in the pattern, but I have found it to be impractical in
many respects. If it is that bad you spend too much time dodging clouds to
get any serious pattern work done. The terrain around here is very
mountainous, which severely restricts how far you can fly and stay VFR in
weather like that. In this area it seems mostly useful to seaplanes and
charter pilots flying around the San Juan Islands.

(Ace Pilot) wrote in message om...
That was my impression, too, CJ. And I'm in the Midwest where we don't
have to worry about mountains. I just have a hard time picturing
someone following their progress on a sectional flying under a ceiling
of 1,000 feet and dipping below 700 feet AGL everytime they approach
an airport with a magenta circle around it.


I have a hard time picturing somebody flying much higher that 700
AGL with a 1,000 ft. ceiling. It's a lot more difficult to see ahead
if you're bumping right up against the clouds. You will usually
encounter some lower hanging scud and vis isn't very good at the
ceiling boundary. It's a lot more comfortable a few hundred feet down
(assuming flat terrain).

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"Ace Pilot" wrote in message =
But I was curious to know if there are pilots that take full advantage
of this distinction. Does anyone actually make use of the Class E/G
boundaries depicted on sectionals? If so, how? I suspect the most
common use is doing T&Gs in the pattern below 700 feet AGL when the
weather is marginal. Other uses?

Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is marginal.
They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the benefit of IFR
pilots.

This accomplishes two things:
1. Allows ATC to provide control to lower altitudes, primarily
separation from other IFR aircraft.
2. Makes sure any there is sufficient visibility / cloud clearance
for visual separation techniques to be used between any
VFR aircraft that might be present.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is marginal.
They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the benefit of IFR
pilots.

This accomplishes two things:
1. Allows ATC to provide control to lower altitudes, primarily
separation from other IFR aircraft.
2. Makes sure any there is sufficient visibility / cloud clearance
for visual separation techniques to be used between any
VFR aircraft that might be present.


Changing weather has no effect on the floor of controlled airspace.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is
marginal.
They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the benefit of
IFR
pilots.

This accomplishes two things:
1. Allows ATC to provide control to lower altitudes, primarily
separation from other IFR aircraft.
2. Makes sure any there is sufficient visibility / cloud clearance
for visual separation techniques to be used between any
VFR aircraft that might be present.


Changing weather has no effect on the floor of controlled airspace.


There he goes again...

But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the
airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides transistions
for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in
marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E where
the approach may dump them off.

BT

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:vJqbc.69606$1I5.24219@fed1read01...

But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the
airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides transistions
for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in
marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E
where
the approach may dump them off.


He said; "Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is
marginal. They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the
benefit of IFR pilots."

Exactly.

Even I knew what he said as well as what he meant.

mike regish

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:vJqbc.69606$1I5.24219@fed1read01...

But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the
airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides
transistions
for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in
marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E
where
the approach may dump them off.


He said; "Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is
marginal. They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the
benefit of IFR pilots."

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net...

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:vJqbc.69606$1I5.24219@fed1read01...

But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the
airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides transistions
for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in
marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E
where
the approach may dump them off.


He said; "Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is
marginal. They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the
benefit of IFR pilots."


Correct. The transition area lowers the floor of controlled airspace. I never
said it had anything to do with changing weather conditions. The first sentence
was to refute the hypothesis of the original poster.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is marginal.
They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the benefit of IFR
pilots.

This accomplishes two things:
1. Allows ATC to provide control to lower altitudes, primarily
separation from other IFR aircraft.
2. Makes sure any there is sufficient visibility / cloud clearance
for visual separation techniques to be used between any
VFR aircraft that might be present.


Changing weather has no effect on the floor of controlled airspace.


I never said it did.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

I never said it did.


Well, if you didn't, then somebody else is posting here under the name "Ron
Natalie".