Is this nuts, or what?

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Not a very good argument. Z-Hills has had continuous skydiving
operations there since the mid-60's. During it's heyday some
considered it "the" premier "drop-zone" in the world. Also, the
jump center is a business and the time of year around Easter
has historically been one of it's busiest seasons. We skydivers
like to get along with pilots. Can't jump without them. :-) (just
my humble opinion!)


What argument did you assume I was making?

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Not a very good argument. Z-Hills has had continuous skydiving
operations there since the mid-60's. During it's heyday some
considered it "the" premier "drop-zone" in the world. Also, the
jump center is a business and the time of year around Easter
has historically been one of it's busiest seasons. We skydivers
like to get along with pilots. Can't jump without them. :-) (just
my humble opinion!)


What argument did you assume I was making?

Sorry, I just assumed (perhaps mistakenly), by following the thread,
that you were making some sort of case for shutting down a business
for a week during
one of it's busiest times so a bunch of guys could have a club meeting
16 miles away. I'll try to read the thread more carefully and try to
put it into
context. I know that the DZ at Zephyrhills uses up more than 2 whole
cubic miles of sky but maybe if everyone pays attention there won't be
any problems. By the looks of the weather around here (Lakeland) the
last couple of days, there may not be anything to worry about anyway.
Blue Ones, TP.
(Disclaimer: I have no professional connection to the DZ -- just a
concerned consumer. Also, I have been an advocate of SF since it's
inception and have not missed a single year.)

Not a very good argument. Z-Hills has had continuous skydiving
operations there since the mid-60's. During it's heyday some
considered it "the" premier
"drop-zone" in the world. Also, the jump center is a business and the
time of year around Easter has historically been one of it's busiest
seasons. We skydivers like to get along with pilots. Can't jump
without them. :-) (just my humble opinion!)


Yeah,

And I lived in the same town almost my whole life, but I have enough sense to
stay away from the madness on the weekend when they have the St Patricks day
drunkfest downtown....

Sure, they skydive there every weekend....and sure they have been doing it
forever....and sure, they even have the RIGHT to be doing so...

But still a little prudence on their part one time outa the whole year is only
gonna help THEM....

Skydivers vs airplanes is just like pedestrians vs cars....the skydiver or
pedestrian theorectically has the right of way but they virtually always LOOSE
in any "conflict".....

I sure as heck wouldnt be skydiving in an area where the air traffic is 100 to
1000 times its normal level and a fair percentage of the pilots probably dont
know how to deal with skydivers, and even the ones that do might not do so
properly in all the hustle, bustle, and confusion....

Betting your life that someone else will do the right thing when you dont have
to doesnt seem to wise to me.....

take care

Blll

In article , BllFs6 wrote:
Skydivers vs airplanes is just like pedestrians vs cars....the skydiver or
pedestrian theorectically has the right of way but they virtually always LOOSE
in any "conflict".....

In many mid-airs between skydivers and aircraft, surprisingly often the
aircraft comes off much worse (crashes with the loss of all on board)
whilst the skydiver breaks a bone.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"BllFs6" wrote in message
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Skydivers vs airplanes is just like pedestrians vs cars....the skydiver
or pedestrian theorectically has the right of way but they virtually
always LOOSE in any "conflict".....


Actually, it's the other way round. Unlike the pedestrian vs the car, it's
the airplane that has the right-of-way over the skydiver.

I'm not sure I can agree with your other point either. I seem to recall a
few skydiver/airplane collisions that knocked the airplane out of the sky
while the injured skydiver returned via parachute.

If they were fully aware of SF, they may have ... or may not. No reason to
expect those 'meat bombs' to pay any attention or even be aware of SF. If
they've done the proper notifications and Notams are issued I don't see any
reason to expect them to not to do it.

25years doesn't really change anything.

Both events pose a risk to each other due to potential irresponsible
behavior. I can't figure out any basis for preference. But I'm staying the
hell away!

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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From AvWeb:

"If you're planning on flying into Lakeland, Fla., for Sun 'n Fun, be on
the
alert for large formation skydiving over Zephyrhills Airport between April
14 and April 18, sunrise to sunset. Zephyrhills (ZPH) is located 16
nautical
miles northwest of Lakeland, on Lakeland's 332-degree radial. The airport
will be the site of a world record attempt involving 140 skydivers and
seven
jump aircraft. Getting caught in the middle could prove ... messy."

We are planning to fly into Sun N Fun next week. Last year we were forced
to land short, because the field was closed -- and Zephyr Hills was the
most
logical airport when coming from the north. It was an absolute zoo
getting
in there, because EVERYONE was stuck doing the same thing.

Now they're going to try to stick 140 skydivers into this mix? I'm
having
a hard time visualizing 20 aircraft coming into land -- at an uncontrolled
field -- with 140 meat-bombs under canopy... Seems like they might have
tried to find a better location and/or time for this record attempt?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I started skydiving in 1973.
There has been an annual Z-Hill Boogie every year.
This may be a year when the Boogie and SNF conflict.
Those record loads are going up into the mid- to high-teens.
Canopy opening altitudes will be between 2000 and 4000 feet AGL.
Depending on the upper level winds, the loads may exit several miles
upwind from the airport.
With the surface area of 140 bodies linked together, the formation can
be "flown" (until it loses shape and integrity).
The large loads will require multiple aircraft, five or six DC-3's(?)
or more smaller aircraft.

From: EDR
Date: 4/8/04 9:56 AM Central Daylight Time

With the surface area of 140 bodies linked together, the formation can
be "flown" (until it loses shape and integrity).

Yous guys gotta get that notion out of your heads "FLOWN." Ya might change
your path a couple of degrees but ya ain't a flying. And ya ain't never gonna.
A rock is a Rock, is a Rock, is a Rock. mac

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From: EDR
Date: 4/8/04 9:56 AM Central Daylight Time

With the surface area of 140 bodies linked together, the formation can
be "flown" (until it loses shape and integrity).

Yous guys gotta get that notion out of your heads "FLOWN." Ya might change
your path a couple of degrees but ya ain't a flying. And ya ain't never
gonna.
A rock is a Rock, is a Rock, is a Rock. mac

Wellll... back in the 70's there was theoretical discussion as to just
how large a formation was need to actually "land".

Wellll... back in the 70's there was theoretical discussion as to just
how large a formation was need to actually "land".

So, in 30 years, they'v decided that it's...not possible? Not practical?
Not doable? It seems with enough bodies, you could "glide" to a landing,
no? (Well, the landing itself might be a bit harsh...)

Inquiring minds want to know!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"