Does the CFI ride count towards your BFR?

Even if it was a year ago??


On Thu, 13 May 2004 15:21:26 GMT, zatatime
wrote:

On Thu, 13 May 2004 05:24:46 GMT, Greg Esres
wrote:

The FARs do not says that, nor does AOPA's legal department.

Yes, the FARs do, as noted below. It says "pilot certificate", not
"any certificate" as AOPA says.

61.56
...
(d) A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of
this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an
examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a
PILOT certificate, rating, or operating privilege need not accomplish
the flight review required by this section



Given the fine line between certificate and pilot certificate. I do
believe you are still legal according to this reg. After pilot
certificate it states "rating, or operating privilege." A CFI is not
a rating, but is an additional privilege so if you are looking for a
fine line technicality you have it within the constructs of 61.56(d).

There is also something called the spirit of the law which plays
heavily in decisions made by courts where an issue is raised over such
a minute detail. The spirit of this law appears to encompass all
ratings/certificates so you really don't have a problem.

As others have said...If you are worried about it have the guy who
signed you off for the ride give you a BFR, I doubt he'd have a
problem with it.

z

CFI rides do not count... unless the examiner providing the check ride
specifically states in the log book that requirements of 61.56 were met. A
Flight Review requires one hour of ground INSTRUCTION and one hour of flight
INSTRUCTION.. does a DE "instruct" on a check ride?

BT

"BoDEAN" wrote in message
...
Can't get a clear cut answer from anyone on this....
Got my CFI last may, does my 24 calendar months start on that date til
when I need a BFR?
Or would I have to go back to my Multi Training for a starting date

The regulations are not clear and can be argued either way. Some FSDOs have
argued that the CFI is not a pilot certificate; others have accepted it as
such. Contrary to some other posts, neither the FAA nor the AOPA have said
that there is a requirement for the examiner to sign off the check ride as a
BFR. However, if the examiner does sign it off as such, then there is no
question about it.

And if the examinar didnt sign me off for a BFR when I did my cfi ride
last year??

On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:19:26 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:

The regulations are not clear and can be argued either way. Some FSDOs have
argued that the CFI is not a pilot certificate; others have accepted it as
such. Contrary to some other posts, neither the FAA nor the AOPA have said
that there is a requirement for the examiner to sign off the check ride as a
BFR. However, if the examiner does sign it off as such, then there is no
question about it.

"BoDEAN" wrote in message
...
And if the examinar didnt sign me off for a BFR when I did my cfi ride
last year??


I wouldn't worry that much about it. My personal opinion is that it is
legal, but there are a lot of people who disagree. Who is ever going to ask
you about it?

If it really bothers you, get someone to sign off a BFR for you.

neither the FAA nor the AOPA have said that there is a requirement
for the examiner to sign off the check ride as a

The FAA said, via the FAQs:

However, to make sure the applicant gets credit for successful
completion of the Flight Review, the examiner should record that the
§61.56 Flight Review was satisfactorily completed in the applicant’s
logbook.

Greg Esres wrote:
neither the FAA nor the AOPA have said that there is a requirement
for the examiner to sign off the check ride as a

The FAA said, via the FAQs:

However, to make sure the applicant gets credit for successful
completion of the Flight Review, the examiner should record that the
§61.56 Flight Review was satisfactorily completed in the applicant's
logbook.

Until John can get some of the basic FAQs correct, that FAQ counts for zilch
in my book.

I pay AOPA $52 each year for legal services. I called them. They assured
me that my CFI checkrides count. I'm set.

Hilton

They assured me that my CFI checkrides count. I'm set.

Ask them for the basis of that determination. It conflicts with the
regulation as written.

John Lynch's interpretation is wishy-washy. He says it counts and
then says it doesn't. Again, it conflicts with the regulation as
written.

What everyone is saying, really, is that it should count so we'll
pretend that it does.

On Thu, 13 May 2004 15:23:32 GMT, "Hilton" wrote:

Until John can get some of the basic FAQs correct, that FAQ counts for zilch
in my book.

I pay AOPA $52 each year for legal services. I called them. They assured
me that my CFI checkrides count. I'm set.

The only opinion that really counts will be that of the FAA inspector that
decides to review your log book. If it were a concern of mine, I would
check with my local FSDO, and escalate if I did not get the answer I
thought was correct.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

I pay AOPA $52 each year for legal services. I called them. They
assured me that my CFI checkrides count. I'm set.

Here is the text of an email exchange I had with AOPA:

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GE: Can you explain why your guide says that a "Flight test for any
certificate or rating" counts as a Flight Review when 61.56(d) clearly
says that only flight tests for PILOT certificates or ratings count?
(The Flight Instructor certificate is not a PILOT certificate.)

Thank you.


AOPA: Thank you for writing AOPA. Yes, you are correct a flight test
for a CFI is only counted as a flight review if you discuss it with
the examiner beforehand and he/she signs you off for one after the
test. If you need anything else please do not hesitate to email me
personally. Have a great day.

GE: Will AOPA correct its web page on the Flight Review with regards
to this?

AOPA: I already contacted the appropriate people. Thank you for your
email.

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