NYC Help?

"Joe Johnson" wrote in message
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It was pretty cool to see big jets 500 feet above & below me.
(American 458, traffic is a Skyhawk, 12 o'clock, 2 miles, 3500 ft--report
traffic in sight!)

Hm, is 500' enough separation for wake turbulence? The airliner was
presumably flying well below cruise speed.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Joe Johnson" wrote in message
m...
It was pretty cool to see big jets 500 feet above & below me.
(American 458, traffic is a Skyhawk, 12 o'clock, 2 miles, 3500
ft--report
traffic in sight!)

Hm, is 500' enough separation for wake turbulence? The airliner was
presumably flying well below cruise speed.

--Gary

That one was at 3000' on approach to LGA, going opposite to my direction. I
don't think he was going much faster than I was :-)

"Joe Johnson" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Joe Johnson" wrote in message
m...
It was pretty cool to see big jets 500 feet above & below me.
(American 458, traffic is a Skyhawk, 12 o'clock, 2 miles, 3500
ft--report
traffic in sight!)

Hm, is 500' enough separation for wake turbulence? The airliner was
presumably flying well below cruise speed.

--Gary

That one was at 3000' on approach to LGA, going opposite to my direction.
I
don't think he was going much faster than I was :-)

Cool. Having them 500' below you is clearly ok. But 500' above you sounds
worrisome. The AIM cautions that wake turbulence can extend 1000' below an
airliner. I've never had the experience of coming closer than that, so I
don't know firsthand what it's like.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:

Hm, is 500' enough separation for wake turbulence? The airliner was
presumably flying well below cruise speed.

Approaching Colts Neck from the north, I occasionally get Newark departures
passing underneath, usually w/in 1000'. I'm shocked that ATC doesn't warn
them about wake turbulance from my 172.

- Andrew

On Tue, 25 May 2004, Andrew Gideon wrote:

Gary Drescher wrote:

Hm, is 500' enough separation for wake turbulence? The airliner was
presumably flying well below cruise speed.

Approaching Colts Neck from the north, I occasionally get Newark departures
passing underneath, usually w/in 1000'. I'm shocked that ATC doesn't warn
them about wake turbulance from my 172.

A few times on very calm days I have felt wake turbulence from the 152 or
172 ahead of me on final! Tower, on one slow, still day, even issued me a
mock wake turb warning from the 152 ahead on final!

Heavies, though... I don't think they've got much to worry about from us
spamcans...

Brian.

Rental car, Hotel will not be included in this trip. I will be staying at my
friend's place. On top of that, My friend will pick me up. I will have to
ask him how far he is willing to drive to pick me up. Basically, tiedown is
all I need for this trip. Rental car and hotel are not factors in airport
selection.

Toks Desalu

Toks Desalu wrote:

Rental car, Hotel will not be included in this trip. I will be staying at
my friend's place. On top of that, My friend will pick me up. I will have
to ask him how far he is willing to drive to pick me up. Basically,
tiedown is all I need for this trip. Rental car and hotel are not factors
in airport selection.

Hmm. If he's driving to pick you up, then from where he is driving would
make a difference. Depending upon that, Teterboro, Westchester, Republic,
or Linden might be best (as in closest). I'd guess that Uptown Manhatten
would mean Teterboro and Downtown Manhatten would mean Linden.

- Andrew

You might also consider Somerset Airport (SMQ) or Central Jersey Airport
(47N). Both are reasonably close to railroads that can get you into NYC
quickly, and are outside the class B airspace. You will need to arrange for
a taxi from airport to Somerville, Raritan or Bridgewater stations. Both
airports are untowered, and have very reasonable fuel and tiedown rates.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America

"Toks Desalu" wrote in message
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Rental car, Hotel will not be included in this trip. I will be staying at
my
friend's place. On top of that, My friend will pick me up. I will have to
ask him how far he is willing to drive to pick me up. Basically, tiedown
is
all I need for this trip. Rental car and hotel are not factors in airport
selection.

Toks Desalu

"Toks Desalu" \

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Land at Teterboro. Tell Teterboro tower that you want to do a bit of
sightseeing down the Hudson. They'll hand you off to LGA or Newark tower.
Enjoy. Call the FBOs at Teterboro. Get the numbers from AOPA. (You *are*
a member, right?) Often, either Signature or Millionair will give you a
free night's parking if you fill up. Ask them to drive you to the bus stop,
or walk if the weather's nice. It's a 15 minute hike. The bus will take
you directly to the Port Authority at 42nd and 4th. Cost is about 7 bucks.
Here's the schedule: http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/bus/T0161.pdf

Couple things:

Don't try flying IFR alone unless you're *really* quick at changing
frequencies. It's a handful.

Check for TFRs.

Use GPS. If it's busy, you won't have time to decipher the VTA.

I've done all this many times. On a clear, busy night, the number of planes
around you makes the sky look like a scene from "Close Encounters".

Le Moo
www.aerobatics.ca

Happy Dog wrote:

Land at Teterboro. Tell Teterboro tower that you want to do a bit of
sightseeing down the Hudson. They'll hand you off to LGA or Newark tower.
Enjoy. Call the FBOs at Teterboro. Get the numbers from AOPA. (You *are*
a member, right?) Often, either Signature or Millionair will give you a
free night's parking if you fill up. Ask them to drive you to the bus stop,
or walk if the weather's nice. It's a 15 minute hike. The bus will take
you directly to the Port Authority at 42nd and 4th.

Isn't the Port Authority bus terminal on the west side, somewhere around
40th and 8th?


All the best,


David