Flying from the US into Canada (Toronto)

In article , Martin Hotze
wrote:

don't you need a photo-id anyway as a pilot flying in the US?

Only for transborder flights.
An expired passport is acceptable.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in
:

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
don't you need a photo-id anyway as a pilot flying in the US?

"Photo ID" and "proof of citizenship" are not the same.

That said, I was not aware of any requirement to carry proof of
citizenship. Many US and Canada citizens both have never been issued a
passport, and certainly do not travel with their birth certificate,
and yet they are permitted to cross the Canada-US border freely.

If there's a requirement to carry proof of citizenship, it's new.
There never was one the last time I flew between the US and Canada
(which admittedly was quite a while ago, and well before 9/11/01).

Pete





Proof of citizenship was always required to cross the border.
http://travel.state.gov/canada.html
Whether or not every inspector enforced those rules is a different matter.
But I doubt if any inspector will let you pass without proof of citizenship
now.

Martin Hotze wrote:

don't you need a photo-id anyway as a pilot flying in the US?

Yes, in addition to proof of citizenship you need a photo ID. A
passport fulfills both requirements.

Here are the Canadian requirements:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/newsroom/...gcanada-e.html

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Carry appropriate identification

All travellers entering Canada are required to provide proof of
citizenship. A passport is ideal, however, your birth certificate,
certificate of citizenship, or naturalization certificate, when
presented with valid photo identification such as a drivers license will
also be accepted. If you are a permanent resident of the U.S., you
should bring your green card.

Carry identification for all children travelling with you, regardless of
their age

Our customs officers watch for missing children and may ask detailed
questions about the children who are travelling with you. Parents who
share custody of their children should carry copies of the legal custody
documents. If you are travelling with a child who is not your own, you
need a note from the parents or guardians granting you permission to
have the child with you. When travelling with a group of vehicles,
parents or guardians should arrive at the border in the same vehicle as
the children.
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Here are the US requirements for reentry:

http://travel.state.gov/tips_canada.html

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Immigration

To re-enter the United States, returning U.S. citizens need to show the
Department of Homeland Security officer proof of identity, such as a
driver’s license, and proof of citizenship, such as a passport, birth
certificate, or Certificate of Naturalization. A U.S. passport is proof
of both citizenship and identity. Persons who are dual nationals should
enter the U.S. using U.S. documents only, as they could be fined under
U.S. law for entering the U.S. on a foreign passport. U.S. citizens
returning to the U.S. via air or bus who lack proof of citizenship
should contact the U.S. Embassy or nearest U.S. consulate for
assistance.

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If I'm correct FARs were changed a couple of years ago. PIC is always
required to have in his possession or easily accessible
1) Pilot Certificate
2) Medical Certificate
3) Govt' Issued Photo ID

EDR wrote:

In article , Martin Hotze
wrote:


don't you need a photo-id anyway as a pilot flying in the US?


Only for transborder flights.
An expired passport is acceptable.

You need a photo id anytime acting as pic or required crew member in the US

FAR61.3(a)(2)

EDR wrote:

In article , Martin Hotze
wrote:


don't you need a photo-id anyway as a pilot flying in the US?


Only for transborder flights.
An expired passport is acceptable.

FAR 61.3(a)(2)

Matt Young wrote:

If I'm correct FARs were changed a couple of years ago. PIC is always
required to have in his possession or easily accessible
1) Pilot Certificate
2) Medical Certificate
3) Govt' Issued Photo ID

EDR wrote:

In article , Martin Hotze
wrote:


don't you need a photo-id anyway as a pilot flying in the US?



Only for transborder flights.
An expired passport is acceptable.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
. 158...
Proof of citizenship was always required to cross the border.
http://travel.state.gov/canada.html

Amazing. I've crossed into and out of Canada dozens of times (most of those
driving, but several times flying) and have never carried any proof of
citizenship. Never been asked for it either, not by either US or Canada
Customs.

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:58:51 -0700, Peter Duniho wrote:

don't you need a photo-id anyway as a pilot flying in the US?

"Photo ID" and "proof of citizenship" are not the same.


OK. thanks 4 the info

(FYI: almost any photo ID in Europe is also some sort of proof of
citizenship; nationality is stated on the ID and therefore checked by the
issuing authority)

#m
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On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 01:18:42 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
. 158...
Proof of citizenship was always required to cross the border.
http://travel.state.gov/canada.html

Amazing. I've crossed into and out of Canada dozens of times (most of those
driving, but several times flying) and have never carried any proof of
citizenship. Never been asked for it either, not by either US or Canada
Customs.


Most of the time, the Canadian border agent will only ask you, and not
require proof of citizenship (although they can, and can refuse you entry if
you don't have it). Coming back into the US, the US border agent is
REQUIRED to see proof of citizenship if the country is on a "yellow" or
higher alert status. If they don't they have violated their standing
instructions.

How often have you driven back in the past year or so?

"Jay Somerset" wrote in message
...
How often have you driven back in the past year or so?

Well, as with flying, I haven't crossed the border since 9/11 while driving.

It doesn't surprise me that proof of citizenship is required *now*,
post-9/11. I was just surprised that the rules were not new (post-9/11),
according to two people who replied to my post.

Pete