Flight plan when crossing the boarder

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Does anyone know the actual reason you're required to file a flight
plan when crossing the boarding between the U.S. and Canada? Does
someone sit down at the end of the year and try to count operations
based on them? They carry NO customs benefit since customs are handled
separately.

Filing a flight plan when crossing an international border is an ICAO
requirement. Of course that doesn't explain why the requirement hasn't been
waived for convenience between the US and Canada, as have many other
requirements that are standard for international stuff. But it does mean
that it would be a question of overriding the default, which may take
unanimity between diverse Canadian departments. Maybe some of them have
access to Google? :-) http://www.invadecanada.us/

Julian Scarfe

In a previous article, "Julian Scarfe" said:
requirements that are standard for international stuff. But it does mean
that it would be a question of overriding the default, which may take
unanimity between diverse Canadian departments. Maybe some of them have
access to Google? :-) http://www.invadecanada.us/

How do you know it's Canada that's being intransegent? Look at how much
better CANPASS is than GATE, and you can see that it's the US that is
scared to let their guard down even a little.

Besides:
http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/



--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
You really know you're in trouble when your boss decides upon a suicide
pact... and agrees to go first.
-- Chris King

The flight plan helps Customs distinguish between legitimate flights,
and those
attempting to illegally smuggle French Canadians south across the boarder.

Canada has for many years now been engaged in a covert campaign to export
their "French Problem" south to the US. Thru false bottom trucks, small
boats
across the rivers, and aircraft under radar, Canada is attempting to
remove the
French Canadians and smuggle them into the French speaking neighborhoods of
Louisiana, NYC and Washington.

The US had originally intended to send the illegal French Canadian
Ouetbacks to
Guantanimo. But those plans had been canceled when Al-Queida prisoners
said they
would rather have electrical wires attached to their genitals than share
a cell with the
French.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Does anyone know the actual reason you're required to file a flight
plan when crossing the boarding between the U.S. and Canada? Does
someone sit down at the end of the year and try to count operations
based on them? They carry NO customs benefit since customs are handled
separately.

Usually, when we fly south into Mexico, we don't both filing since the
U.S. has no way to actually hand the flight plan to Mexico. Most of
the Mexico AOI don't even have working phones, much less computers.
However, they are always happy to see you arrive at any time. Of
course crossing the ADIZ northbound from Mexico is a different thing
all together.

-Robert

(Robert M. Gary) wrote in message . com...
Does anyone know the actual reason you're required to file a flight
plan when crossing the boarding between the U.S. and Canada? Does
someone sit down at the end of the year and try to count operations
based on them? They carry NO customs benefit since customs are handled
separately.

Usually, when we fly south into Mexico, we don't both filing since the
U.S. has no way to actually hand the flight plan to Mexico. Most of
the Mexico AOI don't even have working phones, much less computers.
However, they are always happy to see you arrive at any time. Of
course crossing the ADIZ northbound from Mexico is a different thing
all together.

-Robert


Hi Robert,

I do not have the slightest idea why one has to file a flight plan for
border crossings.
You Americans are lucky, you can fly for hours in nearly any direction
before crossing a border.
Try Europe for a change.
Every country has its own rules for VFR flight plans, really
confusing.

And what they do with all these flight plans, I do not know.
I suppose it is meant to keep the un-employment figures low.

-Kees

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
om...
Does anyone know the actual reason you're required to file a flight
plan when crossing the boarding between the U.S. and Canada? Does
someone sit down at the end of the year and try to count operations
based on them? They carry NO customs benefit since customs are handled
separately.

Usually, when we fly south into Mexico, we don't both filing since the
U.S. has no way to actually hand the flight plan to Mexico. Most of
the Mexico AOI don't even have working phones, much less computers.
However, they are always happy to see you arrive at any time. Of
course crossing the ADIZ northbound from Mexico is a different thing
all together.

ICAO regulations.

Flying round Europe, you need to file a flight plan even though there are no
border controls between many of the countries. (Schengen States)

"S Green" wrote in message ...
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
om...
Does anyone know the actual reason you're required to file a flight
plan when crossing the boarding between the U.S. and Canada? Does
someone sit down at the end of the year and try to count operations
based on them? They carry NO customs benefit since customs are handled
separately.

Usually, when we fly south into Mexico, we don't both filing since the
U.S. has no way to actually hand the flight plan to Mexico. Most of
the Mexico AOI don't even have working phones, much less computers.
However, they are always happy to see you arrive at any time. Of
course crossing the ADIZ northbound from Mexico is a different thing
all together.

ICAO regulations.

Flying round Europe, you need to file a flight plan even though there are no
border controls between many of the countries. (Schengen States)

Not completely true.
Some states do not require a VFR flight plan to cross their borders.
If memory serves well Germany and Austria are such states.
So, when you fly from Holland to Germany you have to file a flight
plan be
cause it is in the Dutch regulations but Germany does not require it,
except....
It is possible to fly from Holland to Germany without flight plan if
you take of from Teuge and land at Aachen for example.
There are some more airport combinations that you can choose from.
I don't bother, I file flights plans when crossing borders anyway.
Which leads to another topic, how to file flight plans in other
countries or get meteo or notams. This is where the fun starts.