Crash Videos

and would, in fact, still offer him a
beer if he were to land at my airport. We might beat each other half
to
death, if that were to actually happen,

Gee. I didn't get either the beer or the beating when I landed at
your airport last year. Sniff :-(

Yeah, sorry about that -- we were really busy, doing what I can't remember.

What month were you in town? Wasn't I getting ready to leave when you
checked in, or something?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
Dudley can be a passionate, mouthy, profane, goofy-as-hell, arrogant
dolt --


Don't forget "certificate waiving" and "pompous" . . . and the longest sig
in Usenet.

--
Jim Fisher

Don't forget "certificate waiving" and "pompous" . . . and the longest sig
in Usenet.

Hey, in the middle of that thread I started thinking about adding "AOPA
Project Mentor Pilot" and "AOPA Airport Representative" to my signature
line -- but it just didn't look cool enough next all that "Fighter Pilot"
stuff...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Don't forget "certificate waiving" and "pompous" . . . and the longest sig
in Usenet.

Ah...but is his sig as arrogant and offensive as mine?


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

In article hgQ%c.151040$Fg5.131580@attbi_s53, Jay Honeck wrote:
beer if he were to land at my airport. We might beat each other half to
death, if that were to actually happen, but, in the end, I will have learned

People are often a lot different in meatspace.

My Dad told me about people he worked with having 'Bakelite Bravery' -
i.e. they could yell and scream and swear at people over the phone, but
would never do it face to face. Made me chuckle, I've seen that a lot in
USENET.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
People are often a lot different in meatspace.

There was actually a psychology study performed on this subject that I read
about some time ago. The researchers gathered data on what cyber-citizens
thought of each other: how they thought each other looked and various
quantifiable personality traits.

After compiling the data, the researchers had the cyber-citizens meet in
meatspace then interviewed the citizens again.

It is no surprise to me that what people *thought* other people were like in
real life were not even close to reality.

A notable exception in this group is Mr. Honeck here. He's as "real" in
meatspace as he is in real life. That's a compliment, Mr. Jay.

On the other hand, most of you probably think I'm a studly, low-wing kinda
guy with redneck tendencies that tall, blonde, supermodels dig. In real
life I'm . . . Well, that's pretty accurate.

Never mind.

--
Jim Fisher

"Dylan Smith" wrote
People are often a lot different in meatspace.

My Dad told me about people he worked with having 'Bakelite Bravery' -

"Daddy, what is Bakelite?" ...only joking, I've been around long enough.

Bakelite to Meatspace, that's quite a span of time. Ain't it great?

"SelwayKid" wrote in message
om...
I don't claim to be a
co-author of any noteworthy publications that weigh 7 pounds and
relate to flight safety.

Just a slight correction here, and the rest of the post is fine.

"Zero Error Margin" is a stand alone volume completely written by Gen
Des Barker of the SAAF. Gen Barker gathered together an international
team of professional air show demonstration pilots who contributed their
time and energy to the project at no charge.
The book contains probably the world's most comprehensive data base on
air show related accidents ranging from 1952 to the present. All major
and even minor accidents were covered complete with full reports, and
reviews from professional demonstration pilots who comment on how these
accidents might have been prevented.
Although my comments appear throughout the book on various subjects
relating to airshow demonstration flight safety, demonstration pilot
physical and mental conditioning, and misc other comment, my main
contribution was a comprehensive report on low altitude vertical
recoveries in vintage prop fighters which appears in the chapter "Flying
the Demonstration". This report was also carried in Aeroplane Monthly
Feb issue 2004 in a feature article by Gen Barker "Precision Decision"
I was simply a small part of a world wide team invited to take part in
this project.
I was NOT the co-author of the book.
Returning you now to your discussion.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

My problem with this thread has nothing to do with whether watching
accident videos makes us safer pilots - it often does (I have watched
several of Scott Gardiners at Arlington) and everything to do with the
intent of the owner of the site.
And it seems to me that he doesn't care about contributing to pilot
safety - his interest is in filming aviation accidents, and I truly
believe that when he leaves an airshow where there wasn't an
accident/incident, he feels cheated.
It kind of reminds me of a few years ago when I was in Lahore, and I was
approached by 2 individuals, one carrying a mongoose and one carrying a
cobra who wanted me to pay them 200 rupees to watch a private fight to
the death between the snake and the mongoose.
I told them I would pay them 1000 rupees to watch them fight to the
death instead. They couldn't understand my point - this guy wouldn't
either.
I have to ask why he didn't collect video of
spectacular/unusual/daring/precision airshow performances.
No - just crashes. And his posting on rec. aviation.piloting I can
accept. But his posting on rec.aviation.student is totally innapropriate
and could never be construed as constructive.

But then we have to consider where we are.
Usernet?
And more important - we have to ask who the hell is this guy?
Did any of you ever hear of him before this post?
I sure as hell didn't.

Is this whole thing just one more spam?
Let's face it - his site doesn't even bloody work!
I went to look, and give him the benefit of the doubt, and could only go
between his stupid helicopter (They were trying to hit him but missed -
that's why they crashed - can't he see that) and his links that bore no
relevance to the topic.
Where are the 100 videos? I sure as hell can't find them.
I agree with previous posters - let's move on - this creep surely ain't
worth falling out over

Tony
--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

tony roberts wrote in message news:nospam-F8B576.22245708092004@shawnews...

My problem with this thread has nothing to do with whether watching
accident videos makes us safer pilots - it often does (I have watched
several of Scott Gardiners at Arlington) and everything to do with the
intent of the owner of the site.

When I went to get my float rating, the first thing the instructor did
was show me film shot for the opening scene of a movie ("Mother Lode"
IIRC) that features a Beaver landing a little too nose-low and doing
somersaults. It was supposed to just land but it crashed instead
(nobody killed) and they decided to work it into the story.

safety - his interest is in filming aviation accidents, and I truly
believe that when he leaves an airshow where there wasn't an
accident/incident, he feels cheated.

I kind of doubt that... I think people on average enjoy and are
stimulated by the existence of danger, but when an actual accident
occurs, the "oh my God I hope they're OK" response takes over.

It kind of reminds me of a few years ago when I was in Lahore, and I was
approached by 2 individuals, one carrying a mongoose and one carrying a
cobra who wanted me to pay them 200 rupees to watch a private fight to
the death between the snake and the mongoose.

I've been to the bullfights in Spain- something like a combination
between opera, the Mass, and a visit to the butcher shop. There is
some redeeming culture value and supposedly all the beef gets donated
to charities.


Cheers,
-cwk.