Photo Pilot Certificates

Shiver Me Timbers wrote:
kontiki wrote:

Why not stop these terrorist people from getting into
the country in the first place?

The above comment you made is so vague and generic as to defy
description.

So why don't you come back to the group and specifically tell us all
just exactly you would do to stop any terrorist from getting into
your country in the first place.

Doncha just love people who post anonymously?

The statement is not vague and generic. It's right on point!

How do we fix it? We've known for years how to fix it, but it
requires multiple US Gov. organizations to cooperate.

1) Identifying visitors to the US. On a student visa? Then it's
the school's responsibility to track the student. When a student
enrolls at a college or university, they are required to provide
the visa information (at least at all the schools I know of).
The visa expired? The school is responsible for a) expelling the
student and b) immediately informing INS.

2) Same process for trade/flight/whatever school.

Drastic? Yup. But remember, the folks on 911 were all on expired visas.

3) Here for tourist reasons? When I visit a foreign country, even the
hotel wants my passport. Why not here?

4) Here for business reasons? See #3.

Troll, troll, go away.

"Blanche" wrote in message
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Shiver Me Timbers wrote:
kontiki wrote:

Why not stop these terrorist people from getting into
the country in the first place?

The above comment you made is so vague and generic as to defy
description.

So why don't you come back to the group and specifically tell us all
just exactly you would do to stop any terrorist from getting into
your country in the first place.

Doncha just love people who post anonymously?

The statement is not vague and generic. It's right on point!

How do we fix it? We've known for years how to fix it, but it
requires multiple US Gov. organizations to cooperate.

1) Identifying visitors to the US. On a student visa? Then it's
the school's responsibility to track the student. When a student
enrolls at a college or university, they are required to provide
the visa information (at least at all the schools I know of).
The visa expired? The school is responsible for a) expelling the
student and b) immediately informing INS.

Which then c) has the responsibility of tracking down this person in a
population of over 300 million. I suppose you could set up checkpoints
throughout the US where you would be forced to present your documents.
Papers, please?


2) Same process for trade/flight/whatever school.

Drastic? Yup. But remember, the folks on 911 were all on expired visas.

3) Here for tourist reasons? When I visit a foreign country, even the
hotel wants my passport. Why not here?

4) Here for business reasons? See #3.

So, Mr. Kontiki. Our latest audit shows that you have unaccounted for sales
of $350.22. Are you certain that you cannot remember what this was? Perhaps
if we talk to your family it will help you to remember.

"Blanche" wrote in message

3) Here for tourist reasons? When I visit a foreign country, even the
hotel wants my passport. Why not here?

What do these hotels do for their own citizens? And how do you tell a
foreigner from a citizen in this country?

Blanche wrote:

The visa expired? The school is responsible for a) expelling the
student and b) immediately informing INS.

A visa allows one to enter the country. You do not have to leave when it expires.
Once you're in the country, the INS tells you how long you can stay.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Blanche wrote:

Doncha just love people who post anonymously?

The statement is not vague and generic. It's right on point!


Thank You. What a breath of fresh air. Now I don't feel like a voice in the
wilderness of political correctness. )

Why not stop these terrorist people from getting into the country in the
first place?


Because it won't work.

This is not a battle against =people=, most especially not a battle against
people who come from any specific country, apperances to the contrary
notwithstanding. This is a battle aginst =ideas=. The people are already
here.

We need to stop certain =ideas= from getting into the country. Sometimes the
ideas come packaged in people, but sometimes they come packaged as music, radio
transmissions, books, internet postings, and correspondence. The people are
already here. Ideas spread faster than people.

However, stopping the spread of ideas runs up against the very freedoms that
make our country what it is. So we are stuck making believe that stopping
people will solve the problem. It won't, but motion looks like action if you
are far enough away.

Photo IDs don't stop people =or= ideas. They are pretty, and everyone has an
ego, but they accomplish nothing, any more than photo IDs stop the drug trade
or deadbeat dads.

Jose

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(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

Teacherjh wrote:


We need to stop certain =ideas= from getting into the country. Sometimes the
ideas come packaged in people, but sometimes they come packaged as music, radio
transmissions, books, internet postings, and correspondence. The people are
already here. Ideas spread faster than people.

All well and good but more and people are coming every day (illegally) and along
with them more and more of your so called "ideas".

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Really. Why not stop these terrorist people from getting into the country
in the
first place? Seems like what we are doing now is hiring a bunch of
government
employees to plug holes in the dike. When they run out of fingers they
start
looking for civilian "volunteers".

Unfortunately, people don't wear signs saying "terrorist," "illegal alien,"
or "I'm stupid." It would be nice if they did. People who complain about
illegal immigration forget a few things:

Most of the 9/11 terrorists were here legally.

The border of the United States is enormously long. Those who think that you
can stop people from crossing it suffer from a severe lack of imagination.
Even if we had enough population to put soldiers shoulder to shoulder along
the Rio Grande and the Canadian border, it would destroy the economy and
probably would not stop a single illegal from crossing.

It boggles the mind that anyone can think it would be possible monitor what
people do once they are in the country. Heck, we can't even track our own
criminals, let alone those from other countries.

The ability to monitor what an alien is doing 24 hours a day, seven days a
week is also the ability to monitor what you are doing 24 hours a day, seven
days a week.

C J Campbell wrote:

The border of the United States is enormously long.

What..... About 3500 miles on the Canada US border.

Those who think that you can stop people from crossing it
suffer from a severe lack of imagination.

Oh heck... We can't even stop those feisty maritimers from scarfing
some lobsters offshore in dories.

Nor can we stop those smuggling Mohawks who carry cartons of
non taxed ciggies into New York state by the ton in fourteen
foot open boats across the St. Lawrence.

And BC BUD..... Oh boy now theres a hot topic of discussion for you.

Even if we had enough population to put soldiers shoulder to shoulder along
the Rio Grande and the Canadian border, it would destroy the economy and
probably would not stop a single illegal from crossing.

If there was a soldier every hundred feet ..... that would make what.

Feeble math time. One mile.... lets say five thousand feet, one
soldier every one hundred feet - why that's fifty soldiers per mile.

Hmmmm 3500 mile border times fifty soldiers equals one hundred
and seventy five thousand soldiers.

And Mr. Kontiki..... that's for the day shift, now when you add in the
night shift you would need at least three hundred and fifty thousand
soldiers every twenty four hours just to patrol that one border.

And that's just for the Canadian American border.

By the way Kontiki just how many US soldiers are on the ground
in IRAQ these days........ I forget. Anybody care to refresh his memory.

Now folks...... If a soldier gets paid 1500 bucks a month, and you need
a minimum of 350,000 per day..... why thats about 560 million dollars a
month. And of course that's not including, food, shelter,
transportation, and absolutely everything else that a soldier would
require in the way of support and infrastructure to maintain that level
of security. It would take an awful lot of buses and boats to move
175,000 soldiers into position and back to base every twelve hours.

I wonder how many port a potties you would need and how far apart would
you put them. Any ex soldiers here who could tell the group how far a
soldier would normally be expected to walk when it came time to take a
poop.

Isn't this just fascinating.

It boggles the mind that anyone can think it would be possible
to monitor what people do once they are in the country.

Indeed it does.... but Kontiki thinks that it is possible but can give
no specifics as to how it could be done.

Heck, we can't even track our own criminals, let alone
those from other countries.

It's the same on this side of the border also.

But hey folks..... All is not lost.

You have managed to stop live cows from entering the US from Canada.

As far as I know - Not one has made it across in a year and a half.

But if you want to see what could happen when a radically new terrorist
group hits the US of A then click here to see a new and very real
threat on the horizon.

http://tinyurl.com/6gccu

"Shiver Me Timbers" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:


If there was a soldier every hundred feet ..... that would make what.

Feeble math time. One mile.... lets say five thousand feet, one
soldier every one hundred feet - why that's fifty soldiers per mile.

Hmmmm 3500 mile border times fifty soldiers equals one hundred
and seventy five thousand soldiers.

And Mr. Kontiki..... that's for the day shift, now when you add in the
night shift you would need at least three hundred and fifty thousand
soldiers every twenty four hours just to patrol that one border.


Actually, you need at least three shifts, so 500,000 soldiers just watching
the border. For every soldier on the front lines, you need at least seven
others in support, so three and a half million soldiers just to watch the
Canadian border. That still does not stop people coming through legitimate
checkpoints with falsified documents or whatever. Nor does it account for
aircraft or boats. Neither does it count up the cost of the enormously long
lines at the border while confiscate everybody's fingernail clippers.


I wonder how many port a potties you would need and how far apart would
you put them. Any ex soldiers here who could tell the group how far a
soldier would normally be expected to walk when it came time to take a
poop.

There is no real limit for soldiers, but there are some practical limits.
The statutory limit for migrant workers, I believe, is 300 yards.