Seems a little strange-

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:45:36 GMT, jsmith wrote:

Domestic Reduced Vertical Separation M?? begins at FL280.
Prior to January 20, 2005, vertical separation between aircraft above
FL280 was 2000 feet. As of 20 January 2005, the vertical separation
between aircraft at FL280 and above is 1000 feet. Only aircraft properly
equipped for DRVSM are permitted to fly above FL280.


Thanks.
z

A couple freight dog companies out there are cryin in their beer right
now.. they figured the govt would flinch and not go LIVE like they said
they would be...

Topping out at FL 280 turns an older learjet from a 1500 nm plane to a
6-800 nm plane.

Dave

Capt.Doug wrote:
It seems a little strange when Havana Center says "Cleared to flight level
three zero zero". It seems a little strange going eastbound at FL 310. It
seems a little strange when Atlanta Center actually has a different altitude
available while going to O'Hare. It seems very strange when another airliner
passes within a 1000' at FL 360.

I just finished my first trip with RVSM (Conveniently sitting on a Caribbean
island while many of ya'll got snowed on- Nah Nah!). It didn't take long to
overcome the strangeness and appreciate the new way (unlike when they
started calling airspace by classes).

It is good, unless you are one of the uncertified stuck at FL280. A friend
in Washington DC related to me that after the inauguration there was a
logjam of airplanes waiting to depart at FL280 while his RVSM ride went
around all of them for a hasty departure. Another friend who drives a Lear
is stuck at 280 and can barely make TEB from MIA now.

D.

RVSM kits are available for the older Lears. We put one on our Lear 35A, it
was something like $90,000. But the price has come down about by half now.

Karl


"Dave S" wrote in message
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A couple freight dog companies out there are cryin in their beer right
now.. they figured the govt would flinch and not go LIVE like they said
they would be...

Topping out at FL 280 turns an older learjet from a 1500 nm plane to a
6-800 nm plane.

Dave

Capt.Doug wrote:
It seems a little strange when Havana Center says "Cleared to flight
level
three zero zero". It seems a little strange going eastbound at FL 310. It
seems a little strange when Atlanta Center actually has a different
altitude
available while going to O'Hare. It seems very strange when another
airliner
passes within a 1000' at FL 360.

I just finished my first trip with RVSM (Conveniently sitting on a
Caribbean
island while many of ya'll got snowed on- Nah Nah!). It didn't take long
to
overcome the strangeness and appreciate the new way (unlike when they
started calling airspace by classes).

It is good, unless you are one of the uncertified stuck at FL280. A
friend
in Washington DC related to me that after the inauguration there was a
logjam of airplanes waiting to depart at FL280 while his RVSM ride went
around all of them for a hasty departure. Another friend who drives a
Lear
is stuck at 280 and can barely make TEB from MIA now.

D.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:16:49 GMT, Dave S
wrote:

A couple freight dog companies out there are cryin in their beer right
now.. they figured the govt would flinch and not go LIVE like they said
they would be...

Are they unable to get waivers per 91(g)(5) (operator submits request
for waiver and at flight plan filing time ATC determines old-style
separation rules can be used)? For the night-op freight stuff I
wouldn't think traffic volume would be an issue?

Peter Clark wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:16:49 GMT, Dave S
wrote:


A couple freight dog companies out there are cryin in their beer right
now.. they figured the govt would flinch and not go LIVE like they said
they would be...


Are they unable to get waivers per 91(g)(5) (operator submits request
for waiver and at flight plan filing time ATC determines old-style
separation rules can be used)? For the night-op freight stuff I
wouldn't think traffic volume would be an issue?



Peter,

See my previous post on this subject. The waivers are available to only
a select few, specialized operators. The vast majority of us do not
qualify, and thus are not even allowed to *ask* for clearance.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

In article ,
Scott Skylane wrote:

See my previous post on this subject. The waivers are available to only
a select few, specialized operators. The vast majority of us do not
qualify, and thus are not even allowed to *ask* for clearance.

what is stopping anyone from asking for a clearance into RVSM flight levels?

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

Bob Noel wrote:

In article ,
Scott Skylane wrote:


See my previous post on this subject. The waivers are available to only
a select few, specialized operators. The vast majority of us do not
qualify, and thus are not even allowed to *ask* for clearance.


what is stopping anyone from asking for a clearance into RVSM flight levels?


Bob,

Nothing, of course, is preventing anyone from asking for a clearance
into RVSM. FAR 91.180 prevents anyone from *accepting* such a
clearance, unless they comply with RVSM standards, or the
*administrator* grants an exemption. And, the administrator has stated
that they will only grant exemptions in a few, very specialized
circumstances. Even if ATC were to clear a non-RVSM aircraft into RVSM
airspace, it would not be legal to operate there, unless you qualify for
that narrow list of exceptions.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

Bob Noel wrote:
In article ,
Scott Skylane wrote:

See my previous post on this subject. The waivers are available to
only
a select few, specialized operators. The vast majority of us do
not
qualify, and thus are not even allowed to *ask* for clearance.

what is stopping anyone from asking for a clearance into RVSM flight
levels?

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

The question of who is monitoring whether an aircraft that has been
issued a clearance into RVSM airspace has been issued a Letter of
Authorization (LOA)to fly in RVSM airspace was brought up in my DRVSM
training. The answer was that the FAA is checking aircraft that have
accepted clearances into RVSM airspace to confirm that the operator has
been issued an LOA.

G. Lee

"Scott Skylane" wrote in message The waivers are available to only
a select few, specialized operators. The vast majority of us do not
qualify, and thus are not even allowed to *ask* for clearance.

Additionally, commercial operators must have an operations specification
permitting RVSM operations.

D.