RV 6 in Sydney Australia

"Blueskies" wrote:

Just a bunch of wanna-be's

Yep. Wanna be lookin you in the eye right about now. Wanna smell the cheap gin
when you say that to my face. Wanna let you meet a couple Rangers with a, ah,
sense of humor. Really wanna see you talk your way out of a crowd in Falluja.

-- Charlie Springer

Intelligence is figuring out how not to kill someone. Too bad the US gov't is not so smart. Once upon a time we had
great options in Iraq; not anymore. Self serving attitudes are everywhere. Oh yea, that's right, killing people is fun.
The ones with the biggest guns wins. Why exactly did we pull out of Falluja after all the threats of reprisals?

The comparison to the greatest generation is a stretch at best. Where is the commitment and self sacrifice? Where is the
GI bill and other support for the troops? What happened to reconstruction? I fully support the folks in the field - too
bad they are operating under flawed orders...

--
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"Mike Patterson" wrote in message
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Ouch! Such a telling blow, the intellect is blinding!

Oy...what a schmuck.



On Tue, 04 May 2004 01:08:25 GMT, "Blueskies" wrote:

Just a bunch of wanna-be's

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"Jerry Springer" wrote in message
news
Blueskies wrote:
The arrogance continues...comparing dubya and his actions to the actions of the greatest generation 60 years ago.
Not
even close, baby...

And I say F**K you



Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

"Blueskies" wrote in message
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Intelligence is figuring out how not to kill someone.

I started to reply by asking what your solution might be. I erased the
question.

My brothers and sisters in those two towers had to choose between the flames
and the long, slow, terrifying plunge to the concrete below. My fellow
workers (I am a retired firefighter) climbed those stairs in the knowledge
that they might - no - probably would die trying to save the innocent.

I am sick and tired of appeasement. "Not killing someone" is long past. The
enemies of civilization do not fit your definition of intelligence. They are
vicious animals. If we wish to survive, we must eliminate the threat.

Have you no compassion for those who were murdered?

I pity your ignorance.

Rich S.

I indeed have compassion for those who were murdered in the twin towers. The attack on Iraq is in no way associated with
that horrible attack. I totally supported dubya in the Afghanistan offensive and I still do, but then he went into some
sort of all powerful flip and diverted those resources into Iraq. We almost had full UN support to go into Iraq with the
full support of the world, but he jumped the gun so to speak and I don't think it was right. We are paying the
consequences of that decision with still more human lives.

Lincoln said it best; "You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you
cannot fool all of the people all of the time."

The horror of the attack on the twin towers will be with us for the rest of our lives. The civilized world needs to
teach the less 'enlightened' parts of the world what good looks like. The problem is the perception that we are
conquerors on a crusade. We need to change that perception...


--
Dan D.
http://www.ameritech.net/users/ddevillers/start.html


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"Rich S." wrote in message ...
"Blueskies" wrote in message
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Intelligence is figuring out how not to kill someone.

I started to reply by asking what your solution might be. I erased the
question.

My brothers and sisters in those two towers had to choose between the flames
and the long, slow, terrifying plunge to the concrete below. My fellow
workers (I am a retired firefighter) climbed those stairs in the knowledge
that they might - no - probably would die trying to save the innocent.

I am sick and tired of appeasement. "Not killing someone" is long past. The
enemies of civilization do not fit your definition of intelligence. They are
vicious animals. If we wish to survive, we must eliminate the threat.

Have you no compassion for those who were murdered?

I pity your ignorance.

Rich S.

"Blueskies" wrote in message
. ..

The horror of the attack on the twin towers will be with us for the rest
of our lives. The civilized world needs to
teach the less 'enlightened' parts of the world what good looks like. The
problem is the perception that we are
conquerors on a crusade. We need to change that perception...

If you could do that, you would be competing with the prophets of the
Islamic world. This difference of opinion has been ongoing since the last
crusades. If there had been a different outcome at the council of Nicea, the
Christian world and the Muslims may be sleeping tonight under the same tent.
But this is not reality.

In any case, this discussion arose when a citizen of another country
portrayed the United States government as "cowboys". I disagree with his
portrayal but, more importantly, disagree with his right to inject his
opinion on this newsgroup. If he wants to bring influence against the
actions of my government, this is not the appropriate forum. I struggled
with my response, but he ****ed me off so bad that I could not help lashing
back. For this I apologize. Trolls like him deserve shunning - no more.

You and I, as citizens of this blessed nation may disagree. It is our right.
This is not a U.S. newsgroup. We all know that. But no one has the right to
call us names without receiving a justifiable angry response. If he has a
bitch, take it somewhere else. I have a lot of disagreements with the
Socialist Australian government, but I don't air them here.

Rich S.

"Blueskies" wrote:

I indeed have compassion for those who were murdered in the twin towers. The attack on Iraq is in no way associated with
that horrible attack.

There are always those who will prefer to wait and see what happens.
Hope for the best and all that nonsense. I for one am glad we took
out the regime in Iraq. Not doing so would have been a tragic
mistake. Imagine for just a moment the uproar the Bush bashers would
make had we not gone into Iraq and had then been attacked with WMD
that were determined to have come from Iraq!

I totally supported dubya in the Afghanistan offensive and I still do, but then he went into some
sort of all powerful flip and diverted those resources into Iraq. We almost had full UN support to go into Iraq with the
full support of the world, but he jumped the gun so to speak and I don't think it was right.

Did you happen to forget that the French proclaimed that they would
use their UN Security Council veto against ANY use of force in Iraq?
They weren't going to come off that position (nor were Germany and
Russia) until Saddam quit lining their pockets (and he had plenty of
money at his disposal thanks to the UN). Sad that you still believe
in such a corrupt system.

We are paying the
consequences of that decision with still more human lives.

We liberatied 25 million Iraqis , Iraq is well on the way to a
democratic government, and the region is now receiving newscasts from
sources other than the propaganda of Al Jezeera and the like. A
despotic dictator and his thugs are out of power, and a hospitable
haven for terrorists is gone forever.

But you didn't mention any of that. If the democracy in Iraq holds
the payback will be huge. At the very least, the US is respected by
her enemies again (and I'd rather the US was respected than "liked").

Lincoln said it best; "You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you
cannot fool all of the people all of the time."

Guess you're in the "some of the people all of the time" camp.

The horror of the attack on the twin towers will be with us for the rest of our lives. The civilized world needs to
teach the less 'enlightened' parts of the world what good looks like. The problem is the perception that we are
conquerors on a crusade. We need to change that perception...

When in the history of warfare has the civilian casualty rate ever
been so low (considerably lower than during Saddam's reign)? And when
has "being good" paid off when dealing with terrorists? We took
almost no action against the previous half dozen attacks on US
interests without doing squat. Look how we got "rewarded" on 9/11.

For a history lesson, read up on Neville Chamberlain and Winston
Churchill. I'll take a Churchill every time.

Mark Hickey

On Tue, 4 May 2004 18:56:03 -0700, "Rich S."
wrote:

. I have a lot of disagreements with the
Socialist Australian government, but I don't air them here.

Rich S.

Rich there are enough errors in your post to make it silly.
your protanonist's are even sillier.
Australia hasnt has a socialist government since we voted out the
labor twits.

The Special Air Services Regiment, the guys working deep behind enemy
lines, the guys who deeply impressed your military with their
competence, they were australians.
Baghdad Airport, thats run by australians.
the guys who picked your sailors out of the drink after the terrorist
attack over there, they were australians.

silly stupid arguments.
go fly aeroplanes or go and build. do something useful.

for the guy wanting contacts in sydney email me at
just before you leave and I will give you some
phone numbers.

Stealth Pilot

"Mark Hickey" wrote in message
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"Blueskies" wrote:

I indeed have compassion for those who were murdered in the twin towers.
The attack on Iraq is in no way associated with
that horrible attack.

There are always those who will prefer to wait and see what happens.
Hope for the best and all that nonsense. I for one am glad we took
out the regime in Iraq. Not doing so would have been a tragic
mistake.

Really? In the absence of WMDs, it seems to me that the only way this works
out to our favor is if Democracy sprouts in Iraq and frankly I think that's
a long shot. None of the countries surrounding Iraq want that and none of
the people in power positions inside of Iraq want that (or so it seems to
me. I am not briefed by the CIA). Obviously time will tell but at this
point we've spent nearly 100 billion dollars, 700+ lives (not including
those injured) and I don't see how things are much different in regards to
the world being a safer place.

And before you blast me for being a pinko liberal be advised that I'd love
it if I were to be proven wrong.


-Brian

In Stealth Pilot wrote:

Australia hasnt has a socialist government since we voted out the
labor twits.

Did they give back all the guns they stole?

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"Brian Sponcil" wrote:


"Mark Hickey" wrote in message
.. .
"Blueskies" wrote:

I indeed have compassion for those who were murdered in the twin towers.
The attack on Iraq is in no way associated with
that horrible attack.

There are always those who will prefer to wait and see what happens.
Hope for the best and all that nonsense. I for one am glad we took
out the regime in Iraq. Not doing so would have been a tragic
mistake.

Really? In the absence of WMDs,
snip

I'd really, really like to think there weren't any WMDs in Iraq, but
it's hard to figure out why Saddam would rather get removed than to
simply tell the UN where and how he got rid of the the ones he admits
having. I hope we don't find out where they went "the hard way"...

it seems to me that the only way this works
out to our favor is if Democracy sprouts in Iraq and frankly I think that's
a long shot. None of the countries surrounding Iraq want that and none of
the people in power positions inside of Iraq want that (or so it seems to
me. I am not briefed by the CIA).

The important thing is that 90%+ of the Iraqis want a democratic
government, and they'll never have a better chance than they have
right now. Imagine how many of them would have lost their lives
overthrowing Saddam's Baathist regime "the old fashioned way"...

Obviously time will tell but at this
point we've spent nearly 100 billion dollars, 700+ lives (not including
those injured) and I don't see how things are much different in regards to
the world being a safer place.

Libya opened up to inspections and agreed to shut down their nuke
program, other more "friendly" countries are suddenly actually
cracking down on terrorists instead of coddling them (note the attacks
in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in response to the change). And best of
all it appears the mind-boggling corruption in the UN might finally be
brought into the light of day. All very good things, IMHO.

And before you blast me for being a pinko liberal be advised that I'd love
it if I were to be proven wrong.

I know you're no pinko liberal - you never said "GWB is dumb" even
once. ;-)

Mark Hickey