Alternate turbine fuel

"Del Rawlins" wrote in message
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How does biodiesel do as far as lubricity for the fuel system components
compared to petrodiesel?

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From what I read, it's better than petrodiesel by a wide margin.

Biodiesel looks like a win-win for everybody. The tree huggers love it
because it doesn't add any CO2 to the atmosphere. (Growing the plants from
which the feedstock is made pulls the CO2 out of the air that is released
when it is burned for a net zero CO2 release.) Engine lovers have a
potentially cheap fuel that has far better power and lubricity
characteristics than petrodiesel.

Since the fuel crops will not be eaten, it's possible that genetically
modified plants can increase the yield dramatically.

Farmers get a new crop and a stable market.

Bill Daniels

Bill Daniels wrote:
: Biodiesel looks like a win-win for everybody.

Sure... seems great, and I'm all for it. Trouble is, the energy available
would supply just a few percent of all that's currently required. It's great when
your friendly, neighborhood tree-hugger raids all the local McDonalds' for their waste
grease. If you get more than a 10000:1 ratio, there isn't even close to enough for
everyone. (Rough estimate that a town of 100,000 people could supply enough waste
grease for 10 people.)

-Cory


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Bill Daniels wrote:
: Biodiesel looks like a win-win for everybody.

Sure... seems great, and I'm all for it. Trouble is, the energy available
would supply just a few percent of all that's currently required. It's
great when
your friendly, neighborhood tree-hugger raids all the local McDonalds' for
their waste
grease. If you get more than a 10000:1 ratio, there isn't even close to
enough for
everyone. (Rough estimate that a town of 100,000 people could supply
enough waste
grease for 10 people.)

-Cory


Animal grease is a tiny part of the feedstock. It's a good deal for the
fast food restaurants since they have to pay to dispose of it now.

99% of the feedstock will be vegetable oils from crops specially grown for
fuel. Potentially, GM fuel crops will grow where no other crop will grow
using little water or fertilizer. From what I read, there is the potential
to produce more than half of the diesel fuel needs this way.

Bill Daniels

Diversification of the energy economy is where it's at these days. A couple
percent from biodiesel, a couple more from methane, propane, yadda
yadda.....hey look, we cut our petroleum consumption by 10%! Every little
bit helps.

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Sure... seems great, and I'm all for it. Trouble is, the energy available
would supply just a few percent of all that's currently required. It's
great when

Just so nobody is confused, processed biodiesel (rapeseed methel
ester) is 35 cents higher than diesel, not waste cooking oils. That
gunk is free in many areas, FOB restaurant back door.

Regards

p.s. The conversion is a transesterfication(Sp?) process using
typically methanol and a strong base a catalyst(lye).

"D.W. Taylor" wrote in message ...
Lubricity is higher, much easier on the injection pump
and other bits. WARNING! it will clean ALL the crud out
of our fuel system. And deposit it in your filter.

Most folks IU've met in person using bio-d have stalled out due
to plugged fuel filters within a week of converting, that being said
these were all old vehicles with 200K miles and more on them
running dino deisel first...

I fully expect used vegi oil to be 30 bucks a barrel by fall.....

Supply and demand don-cha know..

A couple fuel companies in my area actually sell the stuff ready to use.

Itss about 35 cents higher than regular deisel...

Dave


NOte: I am not qualified to have any opinions.....
so this is only as good as my memory...


Del Rawlins wrote:

In B2431 wrote:


Think vegetable oil, soy, french fry oil etc. Filter it to get the
junk out. Add lye....

Apparently you get more MPG for biodiesel then petrodiesel, cleaner
burning too. The recipies and cheerleaders are available on the WWW.


How does biodiesel do as far as lubricity for the fuel system components
compared to petrodiesel?

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"Jay" wrote in message
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Just so nobody is confused, processed biodiesel (rapeseed methel
ester) is 35 cents higher than diesel, not waste cooking oils. That
gunk is free in many areas, FOB restaurant back door.

Dammit Jay, that's "FBO". :-)

Rich S.

"Jay" wrote in message
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Just so nobody is confused, processed biodiesel (rapeseed methel
ester) is 35 cents higher than diesel, not waste cooking oils. That
gunk is free in many areas, FOB restaurant back door.

In Olympia, Washington they are running some busses and gov trucks on processed
fast food waste and they are paying an extra 35 to 70 cents a gallon of MY
MONEY!

-- Charlie Springer

Everytime I take breath of slightly cleaner air, I'll thank you for
your 35-70 cent sacrifice. Or you can think of it another way, thats
money going back into the US economy, not sent to the middle east to
prop up corrupt dictatorships.


(Regnirps) wrote in message ...
"Jay" wrote in message
om...
Just so nobody is confused, processed biodiesel (rapeseed methel
ester) is 35 cents higher than diesel, not waste cooking oils. That
gunk is free in many areas, FOB restaurant back door.

In Olympia, Washington they are running some busses and gov trucks on processed
fast food waste and they are paying an extra 35 to 70 cents a gallon of MY
MONEY!

-- Charlie Springer

"Jay" wrote in message
. com...
Just so nobody is confused, processed biodiesel (rapeseed methel
ester) is 35 cents higher than diesel, not waste cooking oils. That
gunk is free in many areas, FOB restaurant back door.

Dammit Jay, that's "FBO". :-)

Rich S.

FOB at your local FBO?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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That gunk is free in many areas, FOB restaurant back door.

Dammit Jay, that's "FBO". :-)

Rich S.

FOB at your local FBO?

It's a natural! $100 hamburgers + fries = airplane fuel.

Rich "Do you have any tartar sauce?" S.