World Gliding Championships British Team

If Pilots are team flying Results would also be similar since they have to be
fairly close to be of any use to each other.
In the standard class britsh pilots were 1st and 19th (out of 44)
15m class 4th and 37th (out of 41)
18m class 2nd and 3rd (out of 23)
open class 4th (out of 20)
From this I would deduce that team flying was only of use in the 18m class.

What seems to be having an influence in the UK is the number of younger pilots
coming along and 'pushing' the established stars.

(OscarCVox) wrote in message ...
If Pilots are team flying Results would also be similar since they have to be
fairly close to be of any use to each other.

Wrong conclusion based on wrong assumption. Depends on how you define
and/or execute team flying.
One form of team flying (the form you and most are probably thinking
of) is the close team where the two gliders are rarely or never more
than a few hundred meters apart. The extreme variant: If for some
reason the gap gets too big, the one ahead waits (even deploys
spoilers!) for the other to catch up. If one has to outland, the other
will join him. Successful examples: French team at the WGC in Wiener
Neustadt, the Frei brothers who won the pre-Worlds in Bayreuth. They
tied for first place twice in the Swiss Nationals.
Less extreme: if the team gets separated, each member flies on and
gives all relevant information to the other. It becomes an info-team.
The one behind has a very good chance of catching up again. That's how
most teams work. Successful example: the Crabb brothers (I think
that's how they do it).
Some teams don't even bother to try to stay together because they'll
get seperated anyway. So they start off as a pure info-team from the
beginning.


In the standard class britsh pilots were 1st and 19th (out of 44)
15m class 4th and 37th (out of 41)
18m class 2nd and 3rd (out of 23)
open class 4th (out of 20)
From this I would deduce that team flying was only of use in the 18m class.

See above. The overall ranking says nothing about successful or not
team flying. On WGC level you can lose more than 10 overall places
with one bad day. I know, believe me.
How do you know 1st in standard and 4th in 15m weren't a result of
good info-team flying? As soon as one pilot has no chance of winning
anymore, why not send him ahead to try and make the other pilot even
faster? (Don't know for sure if this is done)

Now about 4th place in open class. Ever thought of inter-class or
inter-national team flying? Example: Makoto Ichikawa (JPN) and Thomas
Suchanek (CZ) flew as a team in Poland.
So just forget the one-pilot-per-nation-per-class rubbish to prevent
team flying. Even IGC must realise that, no?


Regards
Marcel

Well... I just wanted to point out that there were some guys who started =
the team flying and made use of it first.
Just remind some names like Makula (Edward), Kepka, Popiel, Witek, =
Muszczynski and some other Poles whose names I can't remember at the =
moment.

Just my 2c,

Regards,


--=20
Janusz Kesik

visit www.leszno.pl - home of the www.wgc2003.pl


U=BFytkownik Marcel Duenner w wiadomooci do =
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One form of team flying (the form you and most are probably thinking
of) is the close team where the two gliders are rarely or never more
than a few hundred meters apart. The extreme variant: If for some
reason the gap gets too big, the one ahead waits (even deploys
spoilers!) for the other to catch up. If one has to outland, the other
will join him. Successful examples: French team at the WGC in Wiener
Neustadt, the Frei brothers who won the pre-Worlds in Bayreuth. They
tied for first place twice in the Swiss Nationals.

Amazing how a congratulatory message can be turned
into a chat on yank issues. Supprised no-one has mentioned
schweizer spam cans.

At 04:06 14 August 2003, Oscarcvox wrote:
If Pilots are team flying Results would also be similar
since they have to be
fairly close to be of any use to each other.
In the standard class britsh pilots were 1st and 19th
(out of 44)
15m class 4th and 37th (out of 41)
18m class 2nd and 3rd (out of 23)
open class 4th (out of 20)
From this I would deduce that team flying was only
of use in the 18m class.

What seems to be having an influence in the UK is the
number of younger pilots
coming along and 'pushing' the established stars.

Pete Smith s comments read:

Amazing how a congratulatory message can be turned
into a chat on yank issues. Supprised no-one has mentioned
schweizer spam cans.

Be glad that they aren't discussing "World Class"
--
Tim - ASW20CL "20"

Why have we decided to restrict team flying in US competition?

Bill Snead
6W

Congratulations to the British Team! Their placings were well
deserved.

Regarding team flying, I had the good fortune to team fly with Peter
Harvey (Open Class) at Leszno, and yes we formed a cross-cultural
"team." Since Open Class is presently restricted to one pilot per
country, any team flying had to be international. Peter took the
initiative to help me on a day that went blue. Next day I was in front
and relayed what I hope was valuable info to him.

But it should be understood that it was a matter of timely coincidence
and convenience and since we knew each other's radio frequencies, we
were able to communicate to our mutual benefit. Peter placed 4th and
I was 5th, but I promise that our final placings were not changed as a
result of "teaming up."

Team flying is not absolutely vital it seems. Consider this outcome.
The pilot that won with the largest margin (points and percentage) in
any class was Holger Karow (Open). Look at the start times and you
will see that generally, he went early -- often alone -- read clouds
and made good decisions. I assume that Holger received whatever
ground-based information the German team had which may have been more
useful than a teammate on a wingtip. I flew with Holger enough to
know that our decisions would have changed little if we were talking
things over.

In my experience, the benefits from team flying are generally minor
and very definitely dependant on the situation. It is some use in
dicey weird weather but in good weather a lot of team flying goes as
follows: "I'm over here...Where are you?" It is more distraction than
benefit.