Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.

However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.

1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.

The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.

Brings to mind the "WANG" computer.
In the computer world, "smaller, faster, cheaper" has always been the
mantra.
Now who in the hell would want a smaller, faster, cheaper Wang???

Rick P.

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Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.

However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.

1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.

The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.

Brings to mind the "WANG" computer.
In the computer world, "smaller, faster, cheaper" has always been the
mantra.
Now who in the hell would want a smaller, faster, cheaper Wang???

And let us not forget their "Cares" campaign with the "Wang Cares"
T-shirts ;-)
--
Tim - ASW20CL "20"

Barnyard BOb -- wrote in message . ..
We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

VIRUS motorgliders ???

You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. g


Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue


P.S.
I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.

However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.

You mean like GM's electric car--the Impact?

Or that ladies' jogging shoe--the Incubus?

Or the diet lozenge Ayds?


1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.

IIUC Flittermouse or fleddermouse, litterally means 'flying mouse'
and is the generic German word for 'bat'.

2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.


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FF

In article ,
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:


Barnyard BOb -- wrote in message
...

[[.. munch ..]]

1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.

IIUC Flittermouse or fleddermouse, litterally means 'flying mouse'
and is the generic German word for 'bat'.

If anybody cares, it's "Fliedermaus", from the words for 'flying' and
'mouse' -- standard Germanic 'cram the component words together into
a single word' construction.

And, yeah, it is the word for 'bat' (of the animal variety only -- not
used for the baseball or cricket implement

Went to Europe last year, how about these car names:

Lemon
Lupo
Twingo
Evasion
Scenic
Picnic
Sunny
Clio

Check this web page out for a look at some of these cars:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cindysef/cars.htm

The German is spelled "fledermaus" and pronounced "FLAY-der-maus."

Fr. John the Guy with the Shirt on Backwards Sometimes


"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
Barnyard BOb -- wrote in message
. ..
We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus
and
Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

VIRUS motorgliders ???

You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. g


Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue


P.S.
I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.

However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.

You mean like GM's electric car--the Impact?

Or that ladies' jogging shoe--the Incubus?

Or the diet lozenge Ayds?


1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.

IIUC Flittermouse or fleddermouse, litterally means 'flying mouse'
and is the generic German word for 'bat'.

2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.


--

FF

In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:

You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. g


All such thoughts will go away when you fly one. They are very nice flying
motorgliders, easy to land too. As far as I could tell the advertized
performance figures are met.

Robert Mudd

FAA (US)
Thread : Number 19 of 74 in thread
Author : Adp
Date/Time: 21:18 18 August 2003
Wrote;
A motor glider is NOT a powered Aircraft!!!! It is
a glider with a motor.
Check your airworthiness certificate. It says GLIDER.
No rule applicable to powered aircraft is applicable
to a Motor Glider. Let me say it one more time, a motor
glider is a GLIDER with a Motor and is NOT a powered
aircraft. Write it 1000 times, a motor glider is a
GLIDER!
Allan
*********
Chuck Writes;
This has been very interesting discussion of the ELT
requirements related to Motorgliders. And much was
written related to the regulations.

The SSA Governmental Liaison responds with the correct
interpretation below (referenced web link provided)
From the SSA;
Frequent Questions
3/6/2002

SSA GOVERNMENT LIAISON
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
(March 6, 2002)

DOES MY GLIDER OR MOTORGLIDER REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY
LOCATOR TRANSMITTER (ELT) ?

NO.
FAR 91.207(a) states that the EMERGENCY locator transmitters
must be carried aboard U. S. registered civil AIRPLANES.
Gliders and motorgliders carry a U.S. airworthiness
certificate that states 'Glider' and therefore are
not affected by this rule.

http://www.ssa.org/ListGovtNewsDetail.asp?Action=&id=26

But, lets not stop there related to definitions, regulations
and requirements.



My focus is upon Private Glider Pilot-in fixed wing
experimental
aircraft as an alternative to the Sport Pilot initiative
with it's focus on no medical required.

The Private Glider Pilot Certificate is already available
to the pilot that is unable to obtain a medical, but
still wants to fly.

It appears that these privileges AND AIRCRAFT capabilities
are far greater than those offered by the Sport Pilot
Proposal. And, the Infrastructure for training and
certification is already in place.

These greater privileges include;

no medical (self cert) (Sport requires State Driver
license)

no weight restriction (Sport = 1235lbs Gross)

no passenger restriction (surprised?) (Sport = 2 px)

no speed restriction (Sport =132mph)

no restriction on retractable gear (Sport =restricted)

no restriction of in-flight adjustable prop. (Sport
= restricted)

no multi engine or type restriction (Sport = single
engine )

no altitude restrictions (including Class A windows)
(Sport
=10,000ft)

no airspace restrictions (Sport = Endorsement required
-

no ELT requirements (Sport = for more than one
seat - required -

no transponder requirement in Mode-C veil (Sport
= required -)

flight at night permitted (Sport = Restricted to
Day VFR with
greater visibility requirements : 3 mile Class G)

Transitional training for Private Pilot serves as
BFR and is only 3 hours

Minimum new Glider student Training hours =10. (Sport
= 17hours)

Recognised by IOAC - Sport and Rec.Pilot not recognised

Flight outside US borders permited - Sport/Rec. =no

No make/model endorsement requirements. (Sport = requires
endorsement for EACH make and model)

(Make and model endorsement required of all Private
Pilots
flying under Sport Privileges without a medical)

No Tailwheel endorsement required (Sport = standards
set within the FAR's)

No endorsement for 'complex' operations - (Variable
pitch prop, retract gear, flaps) Sport = don't even
think about it

No endorsement for 'high performance' Glider (greater
than 200 HP.) Part 61.31(e) (f)

(if you doubt any of these findings, please site the
appropriate FAR that contradicts.

Within the regulations for certification/registration
of
EXPERIMENTAL aircraft, (Special Airworthiness) there
are no minimum requirements related to the designs,
flight characteristics, weight or configuration for
the registration/airworthyness certifications of an
EXPERIMENTAL glider (motorglider...motor does not
appear on the registration)

Therefore, I think it very possible to register any
experimental aircraft as experimental glider and enjoy
all of the privileges associated with that pilot certification.


As an example of one such registration, I submit the
following,

A Quicksilver MXII Ultralight trainer. -
BURNS JOHN M III
Model Name : QCKSLVR MX 2 SPRINT
Manufacturer : BURNS JOHN M III
Model Name : QCKSLVR MX 2 SPRINT
Aircraft Type : Glider
N-number : N62538
Engine Type : Reciprocating
Aircraft Category : Land
Number of Engines : 1
Number of Seats : 2
Max. Gross Weight : Less than 12,500 lbs
Amateur Certification : Yes
Aircraft Code : 05607UQ

AND
Burt Rutan's 16 ft wing span, rocket powered -
SpaceShipOne rocket-propelled glider

http://www.compositesworld.com/hpc/issues/2003/July/150

'the current craft, expected to be certified as an
'experimental research and development glider,' could
not see commercial service, (because of it's experimental
registration) but Rutan considers it a 'subscale proof-of-concept
design for a ten-person spacecraft'more suitable for
a tourist venture.


Below is the FAA web site for the certification of
aircraft

http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/

It is primarily broken down into 'Standard Airworthiness'

(manufactured)

And 'Special Airworthyness' (homebuilt/experimental)

Under STANDARD AIRWORTINESS, 'guidelines' are given
to manufactures of aircraft, including gliders.

WITHIN this STANDARD AIRWORTHINESS area is - FAA Advisory
Circular 21.17-2A,
Type Certification - Fixed Wing Gliders (Sailplanes)
Including Powered Gliders. (MANUFACTURED type certificated)

Please click on the pdf. file and note the 'guidelines'
for
MANUFACTURED gliders...ie 'maximum' (what ever that
is) weight divided by wingspan Sq. must be less that
0.62 '
and maximum seats - 2

This ADVISORY CIRCULAR is to be used as a GUIDELINE
for the manufacture of STANDARD airworthiness aircraft
(gliders) -
FAA Advisory Circular 21.17-2A, Type Certification
- Fixed Wing Gliders (Sailplanes) Including Powered
Gliders.

It is interesting to note, that the Schweitser SGS
2-33 is
certificated for 3 passengers.....When the guidelines
call out for 2 passengers.......Hence, 'guidlines'...not
regulations

Under SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS, guidelines are given
for all other aircraft that are NOT 'STANDARD' ie.
Experimental, Primary Category restricted, limited,
special use.

Within the SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS guidelines, FAA states
that their intent is not to certify or restrict the
types of designs that an 'experimental' builder might
use.


AGAIN, the address is -
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/

AND the document will appear - Airworthiness Certification
FAQ
Standard Airworthiness Certificate:
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
Normal Category
Utility Category
Acrobatic Category
Commuter Category
Transport Category
Manned Free Balloons
Special Classes of Aircraft


Special Airworthiness Certificate:
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/

Primary Category
Restricted Category
Limited Category
Provisional Category
Special Flight Permits
Experimental Category
Multiple Certificates
Special Flight Authorization
Export Approvals
Import Approvals

Another interesting finding, An Airplane is required
to have
wings....A glider is not required to have wings...only
'lifting
surfaces' See definitions in Part 1 of FAR's

Your input is welcomed
Chuck