ASW27B prices falling

At 17:04 09 August 2017, Tango Eight wrote:
The thing that's always driven willingness to throw down a lot of
money on
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a glider is competition. $80K is, any way you slice it, a lot of money
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a 15+ year old glider (just ask any of our wives :-)). There are a
thousa=
nd reasons the 27 is a great glider. However, performance in
competition
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s the one that supported the market price of used 27s at roughly
"every
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e I spent on it since new". =20

What's happening in the competition world? Connect the dots...

Evan Ludeman / T8


Speaking of the USA market, T8 is correct. That is how it has behaved
for the last ~35+ years. As soon as a ship is not at a top competitive
level, the resale value has dropped off rapidly. In Europe, clubs will
tend to buy up these gliders, which means that the market will support
higher prices for these types of birds. In the USA, the re-sale market is

(and has been, but is getting worse due to declining participation) too
thin, so now that the V3 and JS3 are coming out, the ASW-27 and V2
prices will fall. That is just the nature of the beast in the USA....
RO

Some of us are just destined to have 18 year old cars and 35 year old gliders.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 11:58:33 PM UTC+3, wrote:
Some of us are just destined to have 18 year old cars and 35 year old gliders.

I still love my 1997 Subaru Outback (bought in 2011 with 105000 km) to bits, thank you very much.

And, yeah, a 35 year old glider could well be in my future soon. Or 40.

On Tue, 08 Aug 2017 14:10:29 -0700, Bruce Hoult wrote:

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 11:58:33 PM UTC+3,
wrote:
Some of us are just destined to have 18 year old cars and 35 year old
gliders.

I still love my 1997 Subaru Outback (bought in 2011 with 105000 km) to
bits, thank you very much.

And, yeah, a 35 year old glider could well be in my future soon. Or 40.

Mine is 48 this year and still a great ride: H201 with balsa wing skins
and upper + lower surface brakes.

Don't knock the old ones.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

wrote on 8/8/2017 1:58 PM:
Some of us are just destined to have 18 year old cars and 35 year old gliders.

As long as what you are towing is worth more than the tow car, you have your
priorities right!

Seriously, every married glider pilot should ask himself: "Am I leaving enough
assets so my wife can live with dignity if I get taken out by a bus?". If the
answer is no, you need to get a more expensive sailplane to beef up that estate!

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm

http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/...anes-2014A.pdf

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:00:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
There are 3 nice ASW27's for sale, all at reduced prices in the Wings and Wheels website. We 3 owners are mystified at the seeming lack of interest in this ship. Two of us are no longer flying thanks to Father Time and we're throwing in lots of soaring related "goodies" with your purchase.



http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/?m=glider

While I can only be envious of guys with 80K worth of glider at their disposal,
What does it say when three out of four (75%) of the ASW 27B's on the FAA registry are currently up for sale at the same time?

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:57:26 PM UTC-4, Scott Williams wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:00:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
There are 3 nice ASW27's for sale, all at reduced prices in the Wings and Wheels website. We 3 owners are mystified at the seeming lack of interest in this ship. Two of us are no longer flying thanks to Father Time and we're throwing in lots of soaring related "goodies" with your purchase.
Read the post correctly (no longer able to fly). Also there are more than 4 ASW 27B's. The FAA (believe it or not ) does not list all ASW 27B"s seperate from the model ASW 27.
http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/?m=glider

While I can only be envious of guys with 80K worth of glider at their disposal,
What does it say when three out of four (75%) of the ASW 27B's on the FAA registry are currently up for sale at the same time?

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:57:26 PM UTC-4, Scott Williams wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:00:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
There are 3 nice ASW27's for sale, all at reduced prices in the Wings and Wheels website. We 3 owners are mystified at the seeming lack of interest in this ship. Two of us are no longer flying thanks to Father Time and we're throwing in lots of soaring related "goodies" with your purchase.



http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/?m=glider

While I can only be envious of guys with 80K worth of glider at their disposal,
What does it say when three out of four (75%) of the ASW 27B's on the FAA registry are currently up for sale at the same time?

Scott, Reread the original post. Two are not flying anymore ( ie. medical issues).
There are a lot more ASW 27B's than just 4. Some are listed under the model ASW 27.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 7:57:26 PM UTC-5, Scott Williams wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:00:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
There are 3 nice ASW27's for sale, all at reduced prices in the Wings and Wheels website. We 3 owners are mystified at the seeming lack of interest in this ship. Two of us are no longer flying thanks to Father Time and we're throwing in lots of soaring related "goodies" with your purchase.



http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/?m=glider

While I can only be envious of guys with 80K worth of glider at their disposal,
What does it say when three out of four (75%) of the ASW 27B's on the FAA registry are currently up for sale at the same time?

Sorry if I offended anyone, Not my intention. My question is more of an economic one than a slight of any specific pilots or gliders.
BTW, of the 133 ASW 27's on the FAA registry, there are only Four Identified as B's. and all three listed on W&W are listed as B's.
As Ken Pointed out, the registry is 'Loose' on this Score.
Cheers,
Scott.

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 7:45:01 PM UTC-6, Scott Williams wrote:

BTW, of the 133 ASW 27's on the FAA registry, there are only Four Identified as B's. and all three listed on W&W are listed as B's.

Some ASW 27B's are shown as straight 27's on the registry. Mine's a B, with wet wings and higher W/S, extra flap setting, etc. But shown as a straight 27 on the registry.

Gary Osoba