Looking for a towable tow vehicle

But then, our cars in Europe are engineered with decent suspensions -
something still not heared of in the US... :-)

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Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"Stefan" a écrit dans le message de news:
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Greg Arnold wrote:

A Civic works, provided you get a running start at the hills, and slow

And here we go again... In Europe, we tow routinely with 60 to 70 hp cars.
Works for us, even in the Alps. Obviously US pilots are a different
species.

Stefan

Jim Phoenix was using a Jeep Liberty to tow his Nimbus 3 for a while and
reported that it did well. You could query him to get his full experience
with it.
I'm using H rated Contis on my Benz and find them fully the equal of the
many previous sets of Michelins. Car is also equipped with optional but not
publicized factory trailer towing springs and custom receiver hitch.
Supposedly H raters have a stiffer sidewall and somewhat softer tread
compound. You can really feel a difference in handling and ride. I'm using a
good grade of "trailer" tires on both my trailers which weigh between 2100
and 2500 lbs. gross. Both are good to 85 on the highway and no problem.
Personal opinion is that tow vehicle mass and tongue weight are the key
elements after good tires. I have a freind who occasionally tows his open
class trailer with and older VW Rabbit diesel. He doesn't worry much about
high speed oscillation. There was an article a year or so ago in Soaring
about an accident that occurred because the tow vehicle was too light and if
I remember was not loaded correctly.
Cheers!
"BTIZ" wrote in message
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Jeep Liberty..

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Bert Willing wrote:

But then, our cars in Europe are engineered with decent suspensions -
something still not heared of in the US... :-)

We heard of them long ago, and we even build them here, like the BMW -
you've heard of it, I know! The Toyotas and other Japanese cars have
decent suspensions, certainly equal to the Passat and similar. And even
the fully American vehicles long ago became decent to compete with
Japanese and Europeans. Anyway, it's not the suspension that hauls the
trailer up the hill, it's horsepower.

You are not towing your glider trailers _up_ the Alps at 70 mph with 70
hp cars, are you? If you are, they aren't as high or as steep as I thought!


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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

Eric Greenwell wrote:

You are not towing your glider trailers _up_ the Alps at 70 mph with 70
hp cars, are you? If you are, they aren't as high or as steep as I thought!

I don't even drive at 70 mph up the Alps _without_ a trailer, because
the streets there are not only high and steep, but also quite narrow and
curvy.

You'd be surprized what you can do with astonishingly few horsepower.
Agreed, towing a double seater may be a bit harder, but still works with
70 hp. Maybe not at 70 mph uphill, but who cares? How often do you tow a
trailer? Once or twice a year for holidays and twice or thrice for a
retrieve, ant that's it in most cases. For me, spending two or three
hours more in a year for towing (assuming the worst case scenario) is
much better than having to drive an insane SUV the whole year. But then,
we don't occupy distant countries to ensure our oil supply, either.

Stefan

"Stefan" wrote in message
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Eric Greenwell wrote:

You are not towing your glider trailers _up_ the Alps at 70 mph with 70
hp cars, are you? If you are, they aren't as high or as steep as I
thought!

I don't even drive at 70 mph up the Alps _without_ a trailer, because the
streets there are not only high and steep, but also quite narrow and
curvy.

You'd be surprized what you can do with astonishingly few horsepower.
Agreed, towing a double seater may be a bit harder, but still works with
70 hp. Maybe not at 70 mph uphill, but who cares? How often do you tow a
trailer? Once or twice a year for holidays and twice or thrice for a
retrieve, ant that's it in most cases. For me, spending two or three hours
more in a year for towing (assuming the worst case scenario) is much
better than having to drive an insane SUV the whole year. But then, we
don't occupy distant countries to ensure our oil supply, either.

Stefan

In the US and Canada when participating in contests requires a slightly
different set of wheels not fancy but something that will be appropriate
for the
distances traveled. As an example: this year I will be attending the
Seniors,
in Florida 2500km. A month later I will be going the South Carolina
an other 1800 km. In June it will Utah again at least 3000km and after that
maybe a couple of local contest each let say each 600km. All one way.

Out West I will be cruising at 140km/h up or down moderate four lane
Highway hills
with my cruise control on. Let me assure you the difference between 150 hp
(American) and 220 Hp plus and the right handling car makes this kind of
driving not a pleasure but acceptable.
Regards
Udo

Udo Rumpf wrote:

Florida 2500km
South Carolina 1800 km
Utah 3000km
a couple of 600km
....

Agreed. But how many glider pilots fit the same pattern?

Stefan

Stefan wrote:

You'd be surprized what you can do with astonishingly few horsepower.
Agreed, towing a double seater may be a bit harder, but still works with
70 hp. Maybe not at 70 mph uphill, but who cares? How often do you tow a
trailer?

About four big trips (and lot of little ones) and 10,000 miles a year.
For example, if the 18 meter class National competition is held in
Uvalde, it's a 4000 mile round trip for me. Even to go to Minden is a
1400 mile round trip.

Once or twice a year for holidays and twice or thrice for a
retrieve, ant that's it in most cases. For me, spending two or three
hours more in a year for towing (assuming the worst case scenario) is
much better than having to drive an insane SUV the whole year.

And most US pilots that fly close to home agree with you, and use
whatever car they have.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

Nether do we.

What we don't have here are gas taxes that triple the cost (we do have
gas taxes, but they are not ridiculous).

Pete,

Thanks for confirming my suspicisons (see thread I started just above this
one). Looks like saving a couple of bucks by dropping the speed-rated
tires cost me in the long run.


"Pete Reinhart" wrote in message
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I'm using H rated Contis on my Benz and find them fully the equal of the
many previous sets of Michelins. Car is also equipped with optional but
not
publicized factory trailer towing springs and custom receiver hitch.
Supposedly H raters have a stiffer sidewall and somewhat softer tread
compound. You can really feel a difference in handling and ride. I'm using
a
good grade of "trailer" tires on both my trailers which weigh between 2100
and 2500 lbs. gross.

It's a shame someone has to turn an otherwise informative debate into a
political insult. But rather than use all those muscles required to
frown, I'll just use the four required to raise 1 finger for ol'
Stefan...

Jack Womack