Recoil starters on small 2-stroke engines

wrote:

Mark Smith wrote:

...

Hand proping is also done but as a last resort when the battery is
dead.
They do start easily when hand propped, but it takes a healthy pull
on a
blade, then staying out of the way.

Some pushers with tails make getting away from the prop a physical
excercise too.


Thanks, and thnaks to the rest who responded as well.

Supposedly with the adoption of the Light Sport Aircraft regs the FAA
will soon begin stricter enforcement of the FAR 103 weight limits.


where are they going to get the hundreds of new inspectors to do this
effort,


'Fat' ultralights will have to get an airworthiness certificate
as Experimental Light Sport Aircraft, or be converted to lawn
ornaments.

actually, homebuilt is still available for us, no lawn ornaments. that
statement was made by an FnAA employee who got canned from the sprot
pile it program, she is no longer around,

So I was thinking about how to get as large an engine
as possible, like maybe a Zenoah G-50 on something like a Sadler
Vampire while keeping it under 254 lbs.

A 'sneaky' way to get a few more lbs might be to install the
lightest BRS possible and then take the maximum weight allowance
for a BRS.

I have some hand deployed chutes that will easily weigh less than any
BRS, cannister, rocket, etc,

and they count the saem,

actually, some BRS's weigh more than the allowance with mounting, so
hurt your empty weight,

also, getting the smallest one may be false safety as it may be too
small for the gross, depending on the pile it weight



Of course since I don't HAVE a Sadler Vampire, the question is
purely academic.

In the case of tractor mounted engines there is also the issue
of keeping the CG from being too far forward.

--

FF

--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620
1-812-838-6351
http://www.trikite.com

Mark Smith wrote:
wrote:

Mark Smith wrote:

...

Hand proping is also done but as a last resort when the battery
is
dead.
They do start easily when hand propped, but it takes a healthy
pull
on a
blade, then staying out of the way.

Some pushers with tails make getting away from the prop a
physical
excercise too.


Thanks, and thnaks to the rest who responded as well.

Supposedly with the adoption of the Light Sport Aircraft regs the
FAA
will soon begin stricter enforcement of the FAR 103 weight limits.


where are they going to get the hundreds of new inspectors to do this
effort,


'Fat' ultralights will have to get an airworthiness certificate
as Experimental Light Sport Aircraft, or be converted to lawn
ornaments.

actually, homebuilt is still available for us, no lawn ornaments.
that
statement was made by an FnAA employee who got canned from the sprot
pile it program, she is no longer around,

I heard it from an EAA guy who recently gave us a very informative
talk on the new LSA regs. He said that 'lawn ornament' was becoming
popular jargon at the FAA.

Don't non-FAR 103 compliant homebuilts require an airworthiness
certificate? (That is what I wrote.) Won't homebuilts now be
Experimental Light Sport Aircraft?, Is that the part I got wrong?

What if the 'homebuilt' was a factory built 'Fat' ultralight?

I heard it from an EAA guy who recently gave us a very informative
talk on the new LSA regs.


So I was thinking about how to get as large an engine
as possible, like maybe a Zenoah G-50 on something like a Sadler
Vampire while keeping it under 254 lbs.

A 'sneaky' way to get a few more lbs might be to install the
lightest BRS possible and then take the maximum weight allowance
for a BRS.

... getting the smallest one may be false safety as it may be too
small for the gross, depending on the pile it weight

E.g. lightest possible should be read lightest that is adequate for
gross weight. Was your spell checker that substituted 'pile it'
for a typoed 'pilot'? Actually a propos considering the context....

--

FF

wrote:
popular jargon at the FAA.

Don't non-FAR 103 compliant homebuilts require an airworthiness
certificate? (That is what I wrote.) Won't homebuilts now be
Experimental Light Sport Aircraft?, Is that the part I got wrong?

What if the 'homebuilt' was a factory built 'Fat' ultralight?


If the aircraft meets the 51% rule, it can be registered as an amateur
built experimental. A factory built, 'fat' ultralight must be, legally,
registered as an ELSA.

wrote:

Mark Smith wrote:
wrote:

Mark Smith wrote:

...

Hand proping is also done but as a last resort when the battery
is
dead.
They do start easily when hand propped, but it takes a healthy
pull
on a
blade, then staying out of the way.

Some pushers with tails make getting away from the prop a
physical
excercise too.


Thanks, and thnaks to the rest who responded as well.

Supposedly with the adoption of the Light Sport Aircraft regs the
FAA
will soon begin stricter enforcement of the FAR 103 weight limits.


where are they going to get the hundreds of new inspectors to do this
effort,


'Fat' ultralights will have to get an airworthiness certificate
as Experimental Light Sport Aircraft, or be converted to lawn
ornaments.

actually, homebuilt is still available for us, no lawn ornaments.
that
statement was made by an FnAA employee who got canned from the sprot
pile it program, she is no longer around,

I heard it from an EAA guy who recently gave us a very informative
talk on the new LSA regs. He said that 'lawn ornament' was becoming
popular jargon at the FAA.

Don't non-FAR 103 compliant homebuilts require an airworthiness
certificate? (That is what I wrote.) Won't homebuilts now be
Experimental Light Sport Aircraft?, Is that the part I got wrong?

What if the 'homebuilt' was a factory built 'Fat' ultralight?

I heard it from an EAA guy who recently gave us a very informative
talk on the new LSA regs.

most don't know much about the regs as much of the so called regs
haven't been written/approved, and are being changed as special interest
groups complain,

this whole rule was written by those who don't fly much about planes
they don't fly at all,,,,,,,




So I was thinking about how to get as large an engine
as possible, like maybe a Zenoah G-50 on something like a Sadler
Vampire while keeping it under 254 lbs.

A 'sneaky' way to get a few more lbs might be to install the
lightest BRS possible and then take the maximum weight allowance
for a BRS.

... getting the smallest one may be false safety as it may be too
small for the gross, depending on the pile it weight

E.g. lightest possible should be read lightest that is adequate for
gross weight. Was your spell checker that substituted 'pile it'
for a typoed 'pilot'? Actually a propos considering the context....

--

FF


typin in the dark with two fingers makes appropriate typos come and go,

if i like one, it stays,

experimental homebuilt is separate from sprot pile it, the full typo
just for you

any ultralight may be disassembled, rebuilt, and N numbered as a
homebuilt,

that is what should have happened to stay legal for the past twenty
years or more,

with sprot, several new classifications are available, but all require
special inspectors, many hours of schooling to inspect your own plane,
many many more to actually work on it

none of this required with ex homebuilt,


--


Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620

"Mark Smith" wrote

Hand proping is also done but as a last resort when the battery is dead.
They do start easily when hand propped, but it takes a healthy pull on a
blade, then staying out of the way.

Does the fact that the two strokes have a gearbox, make the hand propping
harder? My guess is yes.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

"Mark Smith" wrote

Hand proping is also done but as a last resort when the battery is dead.
They do start easily when hand propped, but it takes a healthy pull on a
blade, then staying out of the way.

Does the fact that the two strokes have a gearbox, make the hand propping
harder? My guess is yes.
--
Jim in NC


actually, since the engines are much smaller than the typical GA tractor
motor, and the gearbox gives you a speeup in the process, I feel they
are as easy plus or minus a bit either way,

if things are right, prime, throttle opening, general condition, first
pull starts are more the norm than not,

same goes for hand propping
--


Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620