Discussion on dealing with future ADIZ Incursions by light A/C

"Jay Honeck" writes:
Anyone stupid enough to fly over Washington, D.C.'s most sensitive areas
would probably wonder what all the pretty lights were for...

No, the solution was EDUCATION of pilots, BY PILOTS. Peer pressure can be a
wonderfully effective thing, and we should be doing our best to either
educate or eliminate "pilots" such as these.

Another potential solution: charge pilots for the intercept. No
punishment, merely pass on the costs: bill stupid pilots for the cost
of the controller's time, blackhawk air & pilot time, and F16 air &
pilot time.

Perhaps the threat of receiving a $10,000 or more bill (not a fine,
merely a bill) will make folks more aware.

Chris
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Chris Colohan wrote:

Perhaps the threat of receiving a $10,000 or more bill (not a fine,
merely a bill) will make folks more aware.

Some pilots with more money than sense might do this deliberately to get a
chance to fly formation with F-16s.

Come to think of it, forget I wrote "than sense"; it sounds like a fun way
to spend an extra $10,000 one might have sitting around.

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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Come to think of it, forget I wrote "than sense"; it sounds like a fun way
to spend an extra $10,000 one might have sitting around.

lol...

Why wait for the fine? Right now, you can get the formation flight at no
cost whatsoever!

Chris Colohan wrote:

Another potential solution: charge pilots for the intercept. No
punishment, merely pass on the costs: bill stupid pilots for the cost
of the controller's time, blackhawk air & pilot time, and F16 air &
pilot time.

Perhaps the threat of receiving a $10,000 or more bill (not a fine,
merely a bill) will make folks more aware.

I think that after you factor in the costs of the panic/shutdown and business
loss, that you're looking at something more like $250,000. An G-d help you if
someone gets hurt during the evacuation.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Chris Colohan wrote:

Another potential solution: charge pilots for the intercept. No
punishment, merely pass on the costs: bill stupid pilots for the cost
of the controller's time, blackhawk air & pilot time, and F16 air &
pilot time.

Perhaps the threat of receiving a $10,000 or more bill (not a fine,
merely a bill) will make folks more aware.

I think that after you factor in the costs of the panic/shutdown and
business
loss, that you're looking at something more like $250,000. An G-d help you
if
someone gets hurt during the evacuation.

Only if you've got deep pockets. Otherwise, no level stupidity gets
punished.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I would like to start a thread on what I see as the most pertinent
take-away from yesterday's incursion: How can the current responses be
modified to make the response more relevant to the threat, when the
inevitable occurs again and a pilot gets lost? Assuming pilots won't
get lost in the future doesn't seem very realistic

You've already lost the argument by pre-supposing that pilots will
continue to be idiots.

CNN showed a red-green laser system they want to use to
signal pilots, but it's not clear how this would have addressed the
most recent incursion.

Anyone stupid enough to fly over Washington, D.C.'s most sensitive areas
would probably wonder what all the pretty lights were for...

No, the solution was EDUCATION of pilots, BY PILOTS. Peer pressure can be
a wonderfully effective thing, and we should be doing our best to either
educate or eliminate "pilots" such as these.

Unfortunately, I fear that the time for education may have passed us by,
and the Feds will be forced to assume that we are all morons.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


I agree with Jay on this one. The GA community loses everytime some idiot
does something like this. They should shoot the next one down.

Mike
MU-2

In article et, Mike Rapoport wrote:
I agree with Jay on this one. The GA community loses everytime some idiot
does something like this. They should shoot the next one down.

I strongly disagree - to do so would be unjust, especially to the people
whom the wreckage falls upon. In a densely populated area like DC, it's
quite likely that someone on the ground would be hurt or killed by the
flaming wreckage accelerated towards earth at 9.8m/s^2.

Throw the book at them for sure - just as you would anyone who violated
a P-area or penetrated the ADIZ without following the proper procedure.
But killing them would be barbaric, and do far more harm to GA than
using proper justice.

Do you really believe people should be killed by other people for making
honest mistakes in a civilized country? I certainly don't.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

You've already lost the argument by pre-supposing that pilots will continue
to be idiots.

Was there an argument? And yes, pilots will continue to make mistakes.

Except you of course.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

No, the solution was EDUCATION of pilots, BY PILOTS

One fine day overhead DC at 2000ft AGL in a C150.
Student to instructor: 'Do you think we are allowed to fly here?'
Instructor: 'Hmmm, lets have a look.....Yep, I'm sure we can'
Student: 'Oh, what makes you so sure?'
Instructor: 'Look at all those F16's, they fly here'

-Kees

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No, the solution was EDUCATION of pilots, BY PILOTS

One fine day overhead DC at 2000ft AGL in a C150.
Student to instructor: 'Do you think we are allowed to fly here?'
Instructor: 'Hmmm, lets have a look.....Yep, I'm sure we can'
Student: 'Oh, what makes you so sure?'
Instructor: 'Look at all those F16's, they fly here'


Given that so many public school students are incredibly geographically
challenged, I could imagine that a couple pilots didn't recognize the "Big
Johnson" and assorted landmarks they were flying over.