Another Intercept, but this time it's different

On Fri, 27 May 2005 10:00:15 -0700, "aluckyguess" wrote in
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I thought he went above 18000 feet and not talking to approach.and that was
why they detained him.

No mention of that at the link in the article that started this
thread:

PALMDALE, Calif. — A small plane that repeatedly ventured close to
restricted air space at Edwards Air Force Base (search) was
intercepted by two F-15 fighter jets (search) Thursday and
escorted to a local airport. The FBI was interviewing the pilot
and a passenger, officials said.

The twin-engine Aero Commander plane was spotted flying in the
high desert north of Los Angeles for several hours during the
afternoon at about 18,000 feet and could not be identified or
contacted by the Federal Aviation Administration, agency spokesman
Donn Walker said.

The plane approached restricted air space several times and the
FAA (search) notified Western Air Defense (search), which
scrambled military jets, officials said.

The aircraft was escorted to Palmdale Airport, FBI spokeswoman
Laura Eimiller said. It wasn't immediately clear why the pilot
didn't respond or what the plane was doing near the air base.

("Larry Dighera" wrote)
[snip]
The twin-engine Aero Commander plane was spotted flying in the
high desert north of Los Angeles for several hours during the
afternoon at about 18,000 feet and could not be identified or
contacted by the Federal Aviation Administration, agency spokesman
Donn Walker said.


Possible radio problems in a 150 - ok. Harder to swallow when it's an Aero
Commander.

OT - Speaking of Aero Commanders, I saw the Pella Windows corporate jet a
few weeks ago at the Pella, Iowa airport open house. Talked with the crew.
It's an Aero Commander jet. Israeli company converts them - see link.

http://tinyurl.com/a7duk
Israel IAI-1124A Westwind


Montblack

On Fri, 27 May 2005 23:16:41 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote in
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("Larry Dighera" wrote)
[snip]
The twin-engine Aero Commander plane was spotted flying in the
high desert north of Los Angeles for several hours during the
afternoon at about 18,000 feet and could not be identified or
contacted by the Federal Aviation Administration, agency spokesman
Donn Walker said.


Possible radio problems in a 150 - ok. Harder to swallow when it's an Aero
Commander.

There is no requirement to be monitoring the radio below 18,000' in
that area. Without more details, it's difficult to know how
appropriate this intercept may have been.

Larry Dighera wrote:
Is this intercept of an aircraft that hadn't breached restricted
airspace a reaction to the rather late intercept of the Cessna 150 in
DC?

On 27 May 2005 15:04:06 GMT, wrote in
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The pilot and passenger were being interviewed at an FBI satellite office
in Lancaster, Eimiller said.

There doesn't seem to have been probable cause to divert this flight
nor detain the pilot and his passengers. Also, why would the pilot
submit to interrogation in this instance if he knew he hadn't entered
Restricted airspace? I suppose that if he didn't, our government
would have labeled him an Enemy Combatant, and taken him Syria for
further interrogation. :-(

This government 'security' activity just keeps getting curiouser and
curiouser. Bureaucratic fear and overreaction are leading to
citizens' complete loss of civil rights. Appalling.


What's also appalling.... Last night there was another ADIZ incursion.
Seems a fellow pilot skirted the eastern edge flying north from norfolk
va area. The F-15's intercepted him forced him to land and handcuffed
him in front of his two small children.... this is bull****... The TSA
is out of control.

its time to throw the tea in to the bay

joey

"joe" wrote in message
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Is this intercept of an aircraft that hadn't breached restricted
airspace a reaction to the rather late intercept of the Cessna 150 in
DC?

On 27 May 2005 15:04:06 GMT, wrote in
::

The pilot and passenger were being interviewed at an FBI satellite
office
in Lancaster, Eimiller said.

There doesn't seem to have been probable cause to divert this flight
nor detain the pilot and his passengers. Also, why would the pilot
submit to interrogation in this instance if he knew he hadn't entered
Restricted airspace? I suppose that if he didn't, our government
would have labeled him an Enemy Combatant, and taken him Syria for
further interrogation. :-(

This government 'security' activity just keeps getting curiouser and
curiouser. Bureaucratic fear and overreaction are leading to
citizens' complete loss of civil rights. Appalling.


What's also appalling.... Last night there was another ADIZ incursion.
Seems a fellow pilot skirted the eastern edge flying north from norfolk
va area. The F-15's intercepted him forced him to land and handcuffed
him in front of his two small children.... this is bull****... The TSA
is out of control.

its time to throw the tea in to the bay

Or it's time to kick these bozo's asses that can't fly without flirting with
"danger".

Matt Barrow wrote:

"joe" wrote in message
oups.com...


Larry Dighera wrote:

Is this intercept of an aircraft that hadn't breached restricted
airspace a reaction to the rather late intercept of the Cessna 150 in
DC?

On 27 May 2005 15:04:06 GMT, wrote in
::


The pilot and passenger were being interviewed at an FBI satellite

office

in Lancaster, Eimiller said.

There doesn't seem to have been probable cause to divert this flight
nor detain the pilot and his passengers. Also, why would the pilot
submit to interrogation in this instance if he knew he hadn't entered
Restricted airspace? I suppose that if he didn't, our government
would have labeled him an Enemy Combatant, and taken him Syria for
further interrogation. :-(

This government 'security' activity just keeps getting curiouser and
curiouser. Bureaucratic fear and overreaction are leading to
citizens' complete loss of civil rights. Appalling.


What's also appalling.... Last night there was another ADIZ incursion.
Seems a fellow pilot skirted the eastern edge flying north from norfolk
va area. The F-15's intercepted him forced him to land and handcuffed
him in front of his two small children.... this is bull****... The TSA
is out of control.

its time to throw the tea in to the bay


Or it's time to kick these bozo's asses that can't fly without flirting with
"danger".

I'd say both. No excuse for dumb pilots, but also no excuse for many of
our "security" restrictions these days either.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Matt Barrow wrote:



Or it's time to kick these bozo's asses that can't fly without flirting
with
"danger".

I'd say both. No excuse for dumb pilots, but also no excuse for many of
our "security" restrictions these days either.

Given that there was, overall, merely and uproar resulting from these
episodes, would you rather they over-react, or under-react? Finding the
exactly right balance is not something humans seem to gravitate to,
especially bureaucracies.

Remember, 9/11 was Bush's fault for not acting sooner, but he would have
caught hell for anything other than appointing a study commission.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

On Sat, 28 May 2005 12:27:07 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote in ::

I'd say both. No excuse for dumb pilots, but also no excuse for many of
our "security" restrictions these days either.

That sounds like a rather balanced approach to raising our nation's
consciousness about it's lethal pseudo-security policies toward GA
pilots. If we are seen as publicly chastising errant pilots among our
ranks for their negligence, and at the same time pointing out how
arrogantly inappropriate our nation's shoot-down policy is, we may be
viewed as responsible citizens, and perhaps be able to garner some
public support to end this outrageously stupid policy. All that is
lacking is a realistic alternative policy to replace it.

("joe" wrote)
[snip]
The F-15's intercepted him forced him to land and handcuffed
him in front of his two small children....


And all without opposable thumbs - a remarkable aircraft. g


its time to throw the tea in to the bay

I fear too many have already drunk the Kool-Aid.


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("joe" wrote)
[snip]
The F-15's intercepted him forced him to land and handcuffed
him in front of his two small children....


And all without opposable thumbs - a remarkable aircraft. g


its time to throw the tea in to the bay

I fear too many have already drunk the Kool-Aid.


And ate the pudding.