Garmin 430/530 and WAAS: Delayed again?

"Mike Rapoport" writes:

I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including:

Certification issues
Availible engineering resources
Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are just
sitting on their hands.

My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...

-jav

Frank Stutzman writes:

In rec.aviation.owning Mike Rapoport wrote:

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are just
sitting on their hands.

But at the $1500 price that Garmin has publically committed to is it that
big of a revenue stream for them? I mean its not chump change for some of
us, but considering what needs to happen to a 430 for this to work (new
software, new processor, new re-certification(?), the overhead of a whole
upgrade program), I'm surpised that Garmin can even break even at that
price.

See my cynical view posting of earlier. The ship-by date on this
alleged upgrade has been steadily slipping. Now it's a year away.

yawn

Wake me up when the sucker starts shipping.

Oh yeah, bonus points if you can find out how to get on the waiting
list for this alleged upgrade.

-jav

"Frank Stutzman" wrote in message
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In rec.aviation.owning Mike Rapoport wrote:

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are
just
sitting on their hands.

But at the $1500 price that Garmin has publically committed to is it that
big of a revenue stream for them? I mean its not chump change for some of
us, but considering what needs to happen to a 430 for this to work (new
software, new processor, new re-certification(?), the overhead of a whole
upgrade program), I'm surpised that Garmin can even break even at that
price.




--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR


Garmin will probably do a little under $200MM this year in total aviation
revenue. When you consider that the potential WAAS upgrade market is about
$90MM and that they will also be able to charge more for 430/530 units that
have WAAS, it is a significant market for them. When and if the FAA
publishes a significant number of LPV approaches, nobody will be able to
sell a non-WAAS box so they have to add the functionality eventually.
Perhaps they know more about how many new approaches the FAA is going to
commission than we do? Why doesn't Honeywell have a WAAS box out?

Mike
MU-2

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including:

Certification issues
Availible engineering resources
Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are
just
sitting on their hands.

My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...

-jav

That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming up
with new things to sell you.

Mike
MU-2

"Mike Rapoport" writes:

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including:

Certification issues
Availible engineering resources
Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are
just
sitting on their hands.

My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...

-jav

That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming up
with new things to sell you.

Assuming they make money on those $1500 upgrades...

-jav

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including:

Certification issues
Availible engineering resources
Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and
upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are
just
sitting on their hands.

My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...

-jav

That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming
up
with new things to sell you.

Assuming they make money on those $1500 upgrades...

-jav

True. I suspect that if you take out the developement costs (which they
would incur anyway), that they will make some (perhaps not much) money.

Mike
MU-2

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:
My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...

One of forty-some WAAS enabled products they carry.

http://www.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:


That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming
up
with new things to sell you.

Assuming they make money on those $1500 upgrades...

Even if they don't (I'm guessing they don't) it's in their long-term
interest to do so.

Only Microsoft and government can do better and better (revenue-wise) the
worse their performance becomes.

--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Mike Rapoport" wrote:
Why doesn't Honeywell have a WAAS box out?

Never mind WAAS, why does Honeywell *still* not have a GPS/NAV/COMM box out?

Answer: Honeywell has its head in in a very dark, warm place.
--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
k.net...

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including:

Certification issues
Availible engineering resources
Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are
just
sitting on their hands.

My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...

-jav

That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming
up with new things to sell you.

Mike
MU-2

Yes, I agree that Garmin will make more money by selling something new.
Why bother with upgrading the 430 when the 480 is selling and is so much
better ?
I think they will finish the engineering of the G1000 related stuff and they
will announce a complete new box making 430's and 480's obsolete.
In modern day digital terms, the 430 is yesterday's CPU.
Why bother retrofitting it with a maths co-processor ?

--
Roy
N5804F - On old PA28-181 Piper Archer II with steam gages !