VFR PHL to 5B6

RNR wrote:

My question is this: is it unreasonable (or unsafe) to consider flying
over the New York Bravo? That would make my trip much more direct.

Quite reasonable -- I've done it a few times. Another solution is to fly up the
Hudson at 900' to just past the northern tip of Manhattan island, climb to
1,400', turn right, and fly along the northern shore of Long Island sound.
That's the way I went up the last time I flew up there.

Personally, I would approach Newark airspace at something like 2500' or more and
contact Newark ATC as soon as practical. Try to get clearance through the
class-B (can't hurt). If that's denied, I would drop down and shoot the Hudson
corridor.

You can also stay under the B and skirt the southern shore of Long Island for a
very direct route, but you'll have a fair amount of water to cross if you go
that way.

George Patterson
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George Patterson wrote:
RNR wrote:

My question is this: is it unreasonable (or unsafe) to consider flying
over the New York Bravo? That would make my trip much more direct.

Quite reasonable -- I've done it a few times. Another solution is to fly up the
Hudson at 900' to just past the northern tip of Manhattan island, climb to
1,400', turn right, and fly along the northern shore of Long Island sound.
That's the way I went up the last time I flew up there.

Personally, I would approach Newark airspace at something like 2500' or more and
contact Newark ATC as soon as practical. Try to get clearance through the
class-B (can't hurt). If that's denied, I would drop down and shoot the Hudson
corridor.

The corridor is great but next to a narrow pass through the Rocky
Mountains I can't imagine a more intimidating place for a first-timer.
Even when you do it properly it's hard to believe it's really legal.
But it's also something no pilot should miss doing at least once.

-cwk.

On 27 Jul 2005 12:38:36 -0700, wrote:



George Patterson wrote:
RNR wrote:

My question is this: is it unreasonable (or unsafe) to consider flying
over the New York Bravo? That would make my trip much more direct.

Quite reasonable -- I've done it a few times. Another solution is to fly up the
Hudson at 900' to just past the northern tip of Manhattan island, climb to
1,400', turn right, and fly along the northern shore of Long Island sound.
That's the way I went up the last time I flew up there.

Personally, I would approach Newark airspace at something like 2500' or more and
contact Newark ATC as soon as practical. Try to get clearance through the
class-B (can't hurt). If that's denied, I would drop down and shoot the Hudson
corridor.

The corridor is great but next to a narrow pass through the Rocky
Mountains I can't imagine a more intimidating place for a first-timer.
Even when you do it properly it's hard to believe it's really legal.
But it's also something no pilot should miss doing at least once.

-cwk.

I've flown the corridor before and it is magnificent. You described
my feelings perfectly. I had difficulty believing that what I was
doing was actually legal. I recommend that trip to everyone. Just
study the TAC first.
Rich Russell

RNR wrote:

IÂ*hadÂ*difficultyÂ*believingÂ*thatÂ*whatÂ*IÂ*was
doing was actually legal.Â*Â*IÂ*recommendÂ*thatÂ*tripÂ*toÂ*everyone.

It is just that much fun. I too recommend it.

- Andrew

Hi Rich,
I've found that it's much easier to get a clearance into the NY Class B
coming in from the West. I would definitely give it a try before you trek up
and over the airspace. It's really no big deal. Just have a plan of where
your route will be. Typically the controllers will route you right over JFK
then over FRG. Just make sure you keep your assigned heading and altitude.
It's also pretty exhilarating flying over JFK with 747's and 767's flying
underneath you.

If you're uncomfortable going through, then I would also no go underneath.
It's a bit more complex since you'll be going along the south shore of Long
Island at 500 ft. and the Class B does not overlap the land exactly.
Sometimes the traffic can get hectic under there as well since it acts like
a funnel for transitioning traffic. I've done it many times and it's quite a
cool experience.

Good luck in whatever you do but I would definitely try getting a clearance
through first.

Regards,

Marco Leon

"RNR" wrote in message
...
I'm contemplating a flight from the Philly area to Cape Cod. My
biggest concern is the huge Class B area that encompasses Newark and
the New York Airports. I often fly around the Philly Bravo with
little in the way of route disruption. It will, however be a long way
around this airspace.

My question is this: is it unreasonable (or unsafe) to consider flying
over the New York Bravo? That would make my trip much more direct. I
doubt that I would get clearance to fly through. I also doubt that I
would be able to get flight following. I am a little concerned about
flying over the Bravo, especially considering Maule Driver's recent
post about overflying Philly's space. If I do fly over the Bravo,
should I call approach and give them a heads-up about my intentions
(and maybe get flight following that way) or are they too busy to be
concerned with a VFR flyover? Thanks.
Rich Russell



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I have often flown that route. If you are doing it VFR, include Colts Neck
VOR in your trip and as you approach the VOR give NYApproach a call on
124.75 (I think) Ask them for 3500' through Class Bravo to Calverton. They
will likely accommodate you if they are not too busy. The view is great!
Good luck!

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:00:02 -0400, "William Snow"
wrote:

I have often flown that route. If you are doing it VFR, include Colts Neck
VOR in your trip and as you approach the VOR give NYApproach a call on
124.75 (I think) Ask them for 3500' through Class Bravo to Calverton. They
will likely accommodate you if they are not too busy. The view is great!
Good luck!

Thanks, I'll try that.
Rich Russell