Checkride Checklist Question

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
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On 8/8/2005 10:05, Gary Drescher wrote:
Yup, I was just making a feeble attempt at humor.

Oops, sorry about that. One of my complaints about Usenet is people
that do exactly what I did ;-(

Plus, I didn't really see who you were ... had I been paying attention...
well, you know ;-)

Heh, don't worry, Usenet is designed to promote misunderstandings. :-)

--Gary

What is "FUEL!"?

Jose
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An excellent idea, if you own the plane, or can convince the owner, is to
put a decal on the insturment panel somewhere with a quick and dirty list of
in flight checklists... very easy to put an After takeoff, descent, and
landing checklist on a small decal. The after landing checklist is an
interesting one, suppose you are landing at a controled airport, its busy,
you are at perhaps the only midfield turnoff, are you going to sit there and
block the turnoff by taking the time to fish out your checklist? My norm is
to have the ground control freq set in by the time I'm on final, and as SOON
as im told to contact ground, I flip that radio, cross the hold line, and do
a very quick after landing flow while contacting ground. A good five step
flow works in most piper products "Fuel pump off, landing light
off(depends), transponder standby, flaps up, mixture lean" by the time im
done witht that ground has usually cleared me for the rest of my taxi, and i
break out the checklist once rolling on the taxi. Time spent blocking the
turnoff is very brief, works great if you have a "Taxi and hold short"
clearance... you can hit the paper checklist while holding at the other
runway.

For the after takeoff items etc I hit them from memory at 1000agl, then
backup with the checklist once outside airspace and away from traffic.
Descent checklist is done from paper almost exclusively (there are items on
that checklist you do NOT want to miss if you have to declare a missed
approach or go around etc). Final checklist is usually done from memory
"Three green, lights out, props forward, mixtures set, runway clear, cleared
to land" Do that one on my base leg, and again on short final. All other
checklists, particluarly those on the ground are done from paper. Emergency
checklists are a mental flow, backed up by paper as soon as possible
(airplane is back under control, and i have time to look down at paper).

The checkride can be an interesting experience, I have heard of people
busting for not using the paper checklist all the time, at the same time i
have heard of people busting for fiddling around with the paper checklist
when they should know things from memory. I would brief the examiner on
your personal checklist usage before going out to the plane, that way if
they want you to do it differently they will tell you then. The DE is not
out to fail you, its your checkride to bust. I always ask my DE's pertinent
questions like "Who is in charge of the radio?" etc. "Who is responsible
for controls if we have an actual emergency" questions like that are bonus
points with the DE and make you look like a more responsible aviator before
even getting in the airplane. "That lazy eight was slightly out of PTS, but
your execution was on the ball, so I'll call it a pass" instead of a "Sorry
but the lazy 8 is gonna have to be resolved day after tommorrow, you were
outside PTS on altitude" I actually had this on my CPL ride, and i have to
think a professional attitude towards the ride, and airplane operations,
helped out a LOT on that.


Dan
newley certified professional student... CFI soone to be CFII and MEI


"Gary G" wrote in message
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A fellow student and I were dsicussing something,
and we certainly intent to ask our instructors.

There are some points in the flight where the simple
(but important) checklist needs to occur.
For example, after takeoff clean-up, after landing clean-up,
before landing check list, etc . . .
Places where the basic steps are pretty easy to remember.

So - DURING THE CHECKRIDE - how important is it to pull out the
actual checklist as opposed to just doing the checklist.
I'm not talking about the complicated stuff, or things
with a lot of items.

Does the Examiner want to see the actual checklist?
Or is "getting it right" enough?
You know, something with 4 steps could take 3 seconds to complete.
Pulling out the checklist makes it 10 seconds.

Would people mind commenting on whether we have to
"go through the motions" to be "right", or to "pass".
I mean, how many people actually pull out the checklist
for the before-landing checklist in a 152?
Feul, Seatbelts, carb-heat, landing lights, etc . . .

Thanks!

"Jose" wrote in message
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r.a.student stripped, as I don't follow it.

I wish you would stop doing that.

Assuming the original cross-post was valid (and it's true, it not always
is), the mere fact that YOU don't follow a particular newsgroup is a lousy
reason to take that newsgroup from the newsgroup line.

The whole point of cross-posting is to that the ENTIRE thread can be
followed by multiple newsgroup. When you take a newsgroup out just because
you're not reading the other newsgroup, you negate the whole point of
cross-posting. Doing so just because you don't read the other newsgroup is
silly.

If you object to cross-posting, either a specific instance or generally,
then say so. But if your objection is to posting to newsgroup you don't
read, that's just nonsense.

Ironically, in this particular instance, you weren't even contributing
anything. You were asking for a clarification. Which means you have
artificially limited the audience to whom your question was posed, reducing
the chances of you getting an answer. If "nrp" saw this thread in
r.a.student, he'll never see your question, and won't answer it. Duh.

Pete

Jose wrote:
What is "FUEL!"?



It's what makes the airplane go. I would have thought you'd know that. G

On a "GUMPS" check, it's the (G)as.




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Mortimer Schnerd, RN

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I wish you would stop doing that [sometimes stripping groups I don't follow].

I do that selectively. Sometimes it makes no sense to post to a group I
don't follow (such as asking a question), and sometimes it does makes
sense (such as to give information that was asked). In either case I
think it's courtious to say what I'm doing - if I make a comment in a
group I don't follow, I let them know that I won't receive followups
from that group (some newsreaders do not permit replies to more than one
group, some don't flag crossposts, some turn them into multple posts,
and it can otherwise seem like a drive-by posting when it isn't).

An ENTIRE thread doesn't always =remain= valid in multple groups due to
thread drift or other reasons.

Ironically, in this particular instance, you weren't even contributing
anything. You were asking for a clarification. Which means you have
artificially limited the audience to whom your question was posed, reducing
the chances of you getting an answer. If "nrp" saw this thread in
r.a.student, he'll never see your question, and won't answer it.

That is exactly the reason for stripping it. If I didn't strip it,
somebody might see the post in r.a.s and answer it there, and I won't
see the answer (at least if he posts from a lame newsreader). Now
-that- would be silly.

Sometimes I keep the group and advise I don't read it, sometimes I strip
it and advise I don't read it.

Jose
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On a "GUMPS" check, it's the (G)as

Ok. The way it was reffered to, it seemed like a checklist mnemonic in
itself.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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I do that selectively. Sometimes it makes no sense to post to a group I
don't follow (such as asking a question)

It seems to me you may not understand how cross-posting works.

[...]
That is exactly the reason for stripping it. If I didn't strip it,
somebody might see the post in r.a.s and answer it there, and I won't see
the answer (at least if he posts from a lame newsreader). Now -that-
would be silly.

That's an absurd hypothesis. The only way it would happen is if the person
*answering* the question did what you are doing now.

Cross-posting is bidirectional. As long as you leave the newsgroup on the
Newsgroup: field, a single post appears in both newsgroup. Someone reading
your question in r.a.student, as long as they just do a normal default
reply, you will see their answer here, in r.a.piloting, even if they don't
personally read this newsgroup.

In other words, the only time the hypothetical situation you propose occurs
is when someone does the exact same thing you're doing now. Fortunately,
very few people do. I'd wager, in fact, that you may be the only regular
participant in either newsgroup to be engaging in this practice.

Your justification is circular. The only way it would make sense is to
assume someone doing what you're doing. Without that kind of uncooperative
behavior, there's no reason to do what you're doing.

Pete

It seems to me you may not understand how cross-posting works.

I believe I do. However, newsreaders often don't. Some newsreaders
(I've been stuck with them sometimes) will only post to the newsgroup
from which the reply was made, and ignore the rest of the crossposting.
Some newsreaders will present crossposted messages as new, even if
they have been read in a different thread. Some newsreaders can be set
to send replies to places other than the originating newsgroup, and
other newsreaders are unable to detect this and defend against it.

I don't know what newsreader any individual will be using.

Jose
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:19:25 -0500, Gary G wrote:

I mean, how many people actually pull out the checklist
for the before-landing checklist in a 152?
Feul, Seatbelts, carb-heat, landing lights, etc . . .

I am approaching 500 hours, and use my checklist from preflight to shut
down like it's my first flight I ever took.

My checklist is from preflight, to pre-start, after starting, run-up, take
off, climbout, cruise, descent and shut down.

Since my plane requires a fuel boost during descents (in my before landing
checklist), using this checklist ensures I don't miss this important step
as well as the other GUMPS procedures.

Complacency will hurt you at minimum....

Allen