airfields with a tower that doesn't control pilots?

Stefan wrote:
Tauno Voipio wrote:

Apropos Faroes Islands:

Try to get the Jeppesen charts about the Vagar (Torshavn) airport
(the only one within 400 NM) and have a look at the approaches.


Not Jeppesen, but the Danish originals:
http://www.slv.dk/Dokumenter/dscgi/d...Collection-410

BTW, back to the topic: Note that there's a frequency for "AFIS" on the
charts.


Thanks for the reference. I have only the Scandinavian Jepp.

A fascinating place - plenty of terrain and no alternatives.

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In a previous article, said:
Last week I was in Greenland, at Narsarsuaq, formerly the USAAF and
USAF airfield Bluie West One.

It's a fabulous place, but one aspect of the Narsarsuaq airfield
really astonished me. There is a tower, six days a week during normal
daylight hours, but the tower only gives advice; the pilot is always
in control, and makes his own decisions.

Is this very unusual?

Several Canadian airports I've been at have a FSS on the field. Their
facility looks like a tower cab, but not up on a tower, and they are the
ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
wind an altimeter settings, tell you if anybody else is in the pattern,
but they don't clear you for anything.

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Used to have similar FSS stations at many airports here in the US. I
remeber one day approaching an airport from a ways out and having the
FSS give me a blow-by-blow (excuse the pun) account as a thunderstorm
approached the airport from the other direction. Not a controller, but
very helpful. I lost the race and landed elsewhere.
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in news:1125241136.247571.221510
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Used to have similar FSS stations at many airports here in the US.

Still do up here in AK. Then again, we still have NDB airways too.

Paul Tomblin wrote:
Several Canadian airports I've been at have a FSS on the field. Their
facility looks like a tower cab, but not up on a tower, and they are the
ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
wind an altimeter settings, tell you if anybody else is in the pattern,
but they don't clear you for anything.

I was thinking that originally, but then another poster reminded me that
Denmark owns Greenland, hence the European comparison.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:39:23 GMT, john smith wrote:

I was thinking that originally, but then another poster reminded me that
Denmark owns Greenland, hence the European comparison.

Yeah, it;s the last colony. Greenland has 55,000 people of whom 8,000
are Danes, including most of the high school teachers and 75 out of
its 85 doctors. Danish kroner is the legal currency.

But it's technically in North America.

The U.S. Army splits the different. The west coast of Greenland is in
NORTHCOM. The east coast is in EURCOM (whatever the name).

If you ever get a chance to go to Greenland, grab it. It's a fabulous
country. Going on an expense account would be even better: a beer is
six bucks. Not only is the bottle imported from Denmark, but it is
sent back to Denmark for recycling.

Diesel however is as cheap as in the U.S.--the Danes subsidise it or
anyhow don't tax it in order to encourage Greenlandic fisheries etc.
Dunno about gasoline. There are effectively no roads, hence no gas
stations. You can buy it at the airport though.


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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message

Several Canadian airports I've been at have a FSS on the field. Their
facility looks like a tower cab, but not up on a tower, and they are the
ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
wind an altimeter settings, tell you if anybody else is in the pattern,
but they don't clear you for anything.

You only talk to Flight Service Centre or Flight Service Station at airports
with a Mandatory Frequency. Airports that have a MF require that you
contact the appropriate Remote Aerodrome Advisory Service on the MF. That
will be a an FSS or FIC who will then advise traffic and field conditions.
Subsequent calls are sort of made to local traffic and the RAAS. (ie.
London Radio N-XXX is turning final Muskoka".) Note that the RAAS / FSS
isn't usually anywhere near the field.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Re...602.htm#602_98

moo

Yes, I think Gatineau airport, near Ottawa, is the same. It's a nice
system.

Les

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, said:
Last week I was in Greenland, at Narsarsuaq, formerly the USAAF and
USAF airfield Bluie West One.

It's a fabulous place, but one aspect of the Narsarsuaq airfield
really astonished me. There is a tower, six days a week during normal
daylight hours, but the tower only gives advice; the pilot is always
in control, and makes his own decisions.

Is this very unusual?

Several Canadian airports I've been at have a FSS on the field. Their
facility looks like a tower cab, but not up on a tower, and they are the
ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
wind an altimeter settings, tell you if anybody else is in the pattern,
but they don't clear you for anything.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
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using dual rounds of ROT-13 encryption.

"LWG" wrote in message
...
Yes, I think Gatineau airport, near Ottawa, is the same. It's a nice
system.

Question:

This is a very common COMM situation in Canada. Is there a US equivalent?

moo



Les

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, said:
Last week I was in Greenland, at Narsarsuaq, formerly the USAAF and
USAF airfield Bluie West One.

It's a fabulous place, but one aspect of the Narsarsuaq airfield
really astonished me. There is a tower, six days a week during normal
daylight hours, but the tower only gives advice; the pilot is always
in control, and makes his own decisions.

Is this very unusual?

Several Canadian airports I've been at have a FSS on the field. Their
facility looks like a tower cab, but not up on a tower, and they are the
ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
wind an altimeter settings, tell you if anybody else is in the pattern,
but they don't clear you for anything.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
To ensure privacy and data integrity this message has been encrypted
using dual rounds of ROT-13 encryption.

Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, said:
...
daylight hours, but the tower only gives advice; the pilot is always
in control, and makes his own decisions.
...

St. Catharines, Ontario used to be a controlled airport, but now it is
FSS. On Sunday I had my scanner going while watching the airshow and I
heard 4 different aircraft call the FSS asking about landing. In each
case the FSS informed the pilot that there was the airspace for 5 NM, up
to 10,000 feet was restricted due to the airshow. In each case the FSS
ended with "What are your intentions?" If this was a controlled airspace
then he would have ended with some instructions instead of the question.
I wonder what would have happened if the pilot said "My intentions are
to land at St. Catharines" instead of turning around?


the ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
...

I always say "St. Catharines Radio" and have never had anyone get upset.
But then again I'm flying one of the St. Catharines Flying Club aircraft
so they know that I am a local, but you are probably pronouncing St.
Catharines the way you spell it so they know that you are not from
around the area.

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