More Katrina

Well he is in the political Catch 22. If the Pres does go people will bitch,
and if he doesn't people will bitch and say he doesn't care. Sometimes you
just can't win can you. Sad when we have to let our politics effect such a
awful situation. R or D, put it aside and help those in need. People with no
clean water to drink don't give an iota about our agreeing with the
Presidents policies, or agreeing with Ted Kennedy nor anyone else. They
would however like to give there children clean water and food.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"N93332" wrote in message
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"Sammy" wrote in message
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This is awful beyond the wildest nightmare.

Are you one of those people who likes to take cheap shots at our
President
just because you don't like his policies ? Every major news outlet is
reporting that the President is returning to Washington. Even cnn.com
says
"Bush was expected to visit the region affected by Katrina, but details
on
that trip were in flux as the White House worked to make sure the
president
would not disrupt response efforts."

Sorry, I heard on NBC news that Bush was heading to the area and posted my
response. I later checked some news websites that say he headed to DC and
won't be going to the area, yet...

On 2005-08-31, W P Dixon wrote:
Well he is in the political Catch 22. If the Pres does go people will bitch,
and if he doesn't people will bitch and say he doesn't care.

If the President is indeed strong, he will Do The Right Thing - not the
political thing. The Right Thing at this moment in time, I wager, is to
not get in the way. If necessary, he can explain why he is keeping away
- then the people criticising him will look rather pathetic that they
essentially want rescue work to be intefered with.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
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"Sammy" wrote in message .. .
This is awful beyond the wildest nightmare.

And now Dubya says he's going to cut his vacation short to go and view the
damage. That's all they need, a TFR to shut down all the helicopter rescue
operations...


Are you one of those people who likes to take cheap shots at our President
just because you don't like his policies ? Every major news outlet is
reporting that the President is returning to Washington. Even cnn.com says
"Bush was expected to visit the region affected by Katrina, but details on
that trip were in flux as the White House worked to make sure the president
would not disrupt response efforts."

N93332 wrote:

That's all they need, a TFR to shut down all the helicopter rescue
operations...

They put TFRs in place this afternoon.
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...50830tfrs.html

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"George Patterson" wrote:

That's all they need, a TFR to shut down all the helicopter rescue
operations...

They put TFRs in place this afternoon.

This morning.

My airplane is stuck in Dothan until they lift the TFR over Mobile.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:

My airplane is stuck in Dothan until they lift the TFR over Mobile.

Well, at least it's safe there, right?

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"George Patterson" wrote:

My airplane is stuck in Dothan until they lift the TFR over Mobile.

Well, at least it's safe there, right?

Yes, the decision to fly out was correct, of course. BFM suffered
extensive damage. Teledyne Continental's shop buildings appear to have
lost much of their roofs.

The TFR over the Mobile area seems unnecessary. There is widespread
damage, but not on a scale requiring rescue operatons by aircraft as in
MS and LA.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:21:26 GMT, George Patterson
wrote:

N93332 wrote:

That's all they need, a TFR to shut down all the helicopter rescue
operations...

They put TFRs in place this afternoon.
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...50830tfrs.html

None of which are for the visit. "The TFRs extend from the surface to
5,000 feet agl. Additional TFRs may be established when President Bush
travels to the area to survey the damage. He is expected to tour the
area later this week." The TFRs text themselves say "TO PROVIDE A
SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR HURRICANE DISASTER RELIEF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS".

Peter Clark wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:21:26 GMT, George Patterson
wrote:


N93332 wrote:

That's all they need, a TFR to shut down all the helicopter rescue
operations...

They put TFRs in place this afternoon.
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...50830tfrs.html


None of which are for the visit. "The TFRs extend from the surface to
5,000 feet agl. Additional TFRs may be established when President Bush
travels to the area to survey the damage. He is expected to tour the
area later this week." The TFRs text themselves say "TO PROVIDE A
SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR HURRICANE DISASTER RELIEF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS".
And all the TFRs make exception for military and police aircraft. Guess
who's doing the rescue flights?

Well, given my antipathy to the unreasonable and uncompensated taking
of the public airspace by the TFR's in the first place my initial
response is to say, "here we go again"... I do see they have limited
this TFR to 5,000' AGL, which is semi reasonable... I would have set
the ceiling at 1000' and over a more limited area if I were the
administrator... The box over New Orleans is reasonable.. The blocked
off coastline is not... I do not see why the TFR has to cover tens of
thousands of square miles... Certainly there is not going to be such a
crowd of rescue aircraft throughout the area that an aircraft passing
through is going to be a safety threat... I see the interminable news
helicopters, who always get permission to fly over a sensitive area,
endlessly buzzing around at a 100 feet to be the far greater threat to
SAR aircraft than the fella who simply needs to pass through the area
on his way to somewhere else...


denny