Why so many rivets?

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:39:06 GMT, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:



5. RVs seem to use rivets *everywhere*...perhaps the Pipers use more bolts,
molded sections, etc.

a piper cherokee has literally a plastic bucket full of bolts in it.

....as we found out during a restoration.
Stealth Pilot

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:57:26 +0800, Stealth Pilot wrote:

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:39:06 GMT, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:



5. RVs seem to use rivets *everywhere*...perhaps the Pipers use more bolts,
molded sections, etc.

a piper cherokee has literally a plastic bucket full of bolts in it.

...as we found out during a restoration.

Hopefully, you didn't have half a bucket left when you were done. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:01:52 GMT, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:57:26 +0800, Stealth Pilot wrote:

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:39:06 GMT, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:



5. RVs seem to use rivets *everywhere*...perhaps the Pipers use more bolts,
molded sections, etc.

a piper cherokee has literally a plastic bucket full of bolts in it.

...as we found out during a restoration.

Hopefully, you didn't have half a bucket left when you were done. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

no, :-) but there are two unique washers. hemispherical that sit in a
hemispherical socket down in the stabilizer attach area.
I think a fundamental law of physics exists that one will remain
faithfully in the bucket during all cleaning, drying and sorting
activities while the other must hide itself in the crack between two
sections of concrete just under the stabilizer.

the jones theory of special aviation fittings :-)

Stealth (dont design special one-off fittings into aeroplanes!) Pilot

Date: 12/30/2004 09:01 Central Standard Time
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:57:26 +0800, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:39:06 GMT, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:



5. RVs seem to use rivets *everywhere*...perhaps the Pipers use more
bolts,
molded sections, etc.

a piper cherokee has literally a plastic bucket full of bolts in it.

...as we found out during a restoration.

Hopefully, you didn't have half a bucket left when you were done. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

They use buckets in their construction?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On 05 Jan 2005 23:16:52 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

a piper cherokee has literally a plastic bucket full of bolts in it.

...as we found out during a restoration.

Hopefully, you didn't have half a bucket left when you were done. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

They use buckets in their construction?

Sorry, my mistake. I saw a guy working on a Cherokee, and thought he'd suddenly
exclaimed, "Oh, bucket!" Turns out he'd said something else. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

In article ,
"Brian Sponcil" wrote:

I'm currently considering embarking on an RV project and after checking out
a few in our local EAA chapter I ran across a seemingly curious fact. I
recall the builders telling me that their RV kits have around 10,000 rivets.
Compared to a Piper Comanche at 3,714 and a Warrior at 1,785 that's a heck
of a lot of rivets.

So the question is, why so many???


-Brian
N33431


One of the things I have noticed on Comanches is that their rivet
spacing for #3 rivets is about twice that spelled out in the manuals.
The result is that a lot of Comanches show signs of distress along those
rivet lines with too much space between rivets.

I have not checked Warriors that closely but would expect to see the
same thing there, too.

.... or it that's a "problem" for you, do what I did.
RV7-A Quickbuild kit. Poof; lot's less rivets :-)

MJC

"Brian Sponcil" wrote in message
...
I'm currently considering embarking on an RV project and after checking
out
a few in our local EAA chapter I ran across a seemingly curious fact. I
recall the builders telling me that their RV kits have around 10,000
rivets.
Compared to a Piper Comanche at 3,714 and a Warrior at 1,785 that's a heck
of a lot of rivets.

So the question is, why so many???


-Brian
N33431

The numbers of rivets isn't a make or break detail in terms of whether I
build or not, it's just something that jumped out at me. An RV has FIVE
TIMES as many rivets as my Warrior and the guys I talked to are building
RV-9s! I suppose an RV-10 might have even more.

-Brian
N33431

"MJC" wrote in message
...
... or it that's a "problem" for you, do what I did.
RV7-A Quickbuild kit. Poof; lot's less rivets :-)

Brian Sponcil wrote:

The numbers of rivets isn't a make or break detail in terms of whether I
build or not, it's just something that jumped out at me. An RV has FIVE
TIMES as many rivets as my Warrior and the guys I talked to are building
RV-9s! I suppose an RV-10 might have even more.

Well, I'd rather have too many rivets than too few. :-)


Matt

MJC wrote:
... or it that's a "problem" for you, do what I did.
RV7-A Quickbuild kit. Poof; lot's less rivets :-)

I thought the design was the same and hence the same number of rivets
.... just fewer for you to set! :-)


Matt