airplane noise can impair young students

Is this the same group that did the Di-hidrogen Oxide study? Or the one
that found that saliva is deadly when consumed at small doses over long
enough periods of time?

Any claim, study, or proof that X impacts Y is meaningless unless some
quantitative relationship is shown: just how much of X does just how
much impact to Y.

The study may have had this quantitative data, but the post didn't.
Therefore it cannot be concluded from the post that the impact is
relevant. Assuming it was a good study (and did have the data), the
omission of this information from the post is evidence that the impact
is =not= relevant, but the poster does not want to give that away since
it undermines the alarm the poster would otherwise create.

Therefore, I dismiss it totally.

Jose
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Not to mention that I'd bet you $10 that you'd be hard pressed to find a GA
airport that was built near a school. My experience has been that the
airport was in existence for 30 years and then they put the school 1/4 mile
from the threshold.

jf


"Jose" wrote in message
...
Is this the same group that did the Di-hidrogen Oxide study? Or the one
that found that saliva is deadly when consumed at small doses over long
enough periods of time?

Any claim, study, or proof that X impacts Y is meaningless unless some
quantitative relationship is shown: just how much of X does just how much
impact to Y.

The study may have had this quantitative data, but the post didn't.
Therefore it cannot be concluded from the post that the impact is
relevant. Assuming it was a good study (and did have the data), the
omission of this information from the post is evidence that the impact is
=not= relevant, but the poster does not want to give that away since it
undermines the alarm the poster would otherwise create.

Therefore, I dismiss it totally.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Not to mention that I'd bet you $10 that you'd be hard pressed to find a GA
airport that was built near a school. My experience has been that the
airport was in existence for 30 years and then they put the school 1/4 mile
from the threshold.

Not hard pressed at all. My home airport fills the bill. From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danbury,_Connecticut

A 60 acre (243,000 m²) tract near the Danbury Fairgrounds known as Tucker's Field was purchased by local pilots in 1928, and leased to the town. This became an airport, which is now Danbury Municipal Airport (ICAO airport code: KDXR).

From http://www.woosterschool.org/oncampus/history/

So the charter of Wooster School was registered with the State of Connecticut in November, 1925, and the school opened the following fall.

I bet a lot of places are like that. Both the school and the airport go
way back. Schools were invented before airplanes, so if they both go
back far enough, the school will win.

Jose
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Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
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But I can give you 15 for every one you name. Granted the school and the
airport you mentioned are older than the average, but within 30 miles of me
I can name several airports (MRC, 2M2, heck BNA for that matter) that were
all built "in the boonies" so they wouldn't bother anyone. Now the urban
creep has caught them and they're facing the noise complaints that we've all
seen before.

Note to self: If there is an airport next door to the house I'm thinking
about buying, it's MY FAULT if I buy the house and don't like airplane
noise.

jf


"Jose" wrote in message
...
Not to mention that I'd bet you $10 that you'd be hard pressed to find a
GA airport that was built near a school. My experience has been that the
airport was in existence for 30 years and then they put the school 1/4
mile from the threshold.

Not hard pressed at all. My home airport fills the bill. From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danbury,_Connecticut

A 60 acre (243,000 m²) tract near the Danbury Fairgrounds known as
Tucker's Field was purchased by local pilots in 1928, and leased to the
town. This became an airport, which is now Danbury Municipal Airport
(ICAO airport code: KDXR).

From http://www.woosterschool.org/oncampus/history/

So the charter of Wooster School was registered with the State of
Connecticut in November, 1925, and the school opened the following fall.

I bet a lot of places are like that. Both the school and the airport go
way back. Schools were invented before airplanes, so if they both go back
far enough, the school will win.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

Note to self: If there is an airport next door to the house I'm thinking
about buying, it's MY FAULT if I buy the house and don't like airplane
noise.

I live under Sandy River Arrival for PDX 28L and 28R...that's TWO
international airport runways also featuring a squadron of F-15s, and the
approach to Troutdale, so I have aircraft over my house all day. The PDX
heavies and F-15s lower their gear and throttle up about right over my
house. It's so damned loud I can't hear the neighbors' dogs barking.

Glorious! (But, to be fair, there were no jets, Arrivals or runways 28L
and 28R when my house was built. C'est la vie say the old folks...)

-c

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:53:37 GMT, Jose
wrote:

I bet a lot of places are like that. Both the school and the airport go
way back. Schools were invented before airplanes, so if they both go
back far enough, the school will win.

As a rule, however, schools weren't built out in the country until the
consolidation craze of the 1960s, by which time most airports were
already in existence. All the schools I attended (seven) were
downtown.

In one case, funnily enough, I lived right by the airport (now
Skyhaven in Rochester NH) and was bused into town for school.



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Not hard pressed at all. My home airport fills the bill. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danbury,_Connecticut

What a coinky-dink... I just moved my Lance up from Bridgeport to
Danbury. Which FBO do you keep your plane at Jose? Or do you rent?

What a coinky-dink... I just moved my Lance up from Bridgeport to
Danbury. Which FBO do you keep your plane at Jose? Or do you rent?

I'm a member of the Flying 20 Club (http://www.flying20club.org), and we
keep our planes (two Archers and a Dakota) at Reliant. I have some pics
of me and the Dakota at SnF last year I keep meaning to send to the
Alexis Rogues Gallery. Where's your Lance?

Jose
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:46:47 -0600, "Jeff" wrote:

Not to mention that I'd bet you $10 that you'd be hard pressed to find a GA
airport that was built near a school. My experience has been that the
airport was in existence for 30 years and then they put the school 1/4 mile
from the threshold.

This is the case where I fly, except that the airport is a lot older
than 30 years! More like 70.

The (modern) high school is about half a mile northeast of the
"threshold" of 02. It's a temptation to use it as a point to turn
base, but I usually resist.



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Cub Driver wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:46:47 -0600, "Jeff" wrote:

Not to mention that I'd bet you $10 that you'd be hard pressed to find a GA
airport that was built near a school. My experience has been that the
airport was in existence for 30 years and then they put the school 1/4 mile
from the threshold.

This is the case where I fly, except that the airport is a lot older
than 30 years! More like 70.

The (modern) high school is about half a mile northeast of the
"threshold" of 02. It's a temptation to use it as a point to turn
base, but I usually resist.

Well. As a pilot I'm all for noise.
It's the sudden absense of engine noise that I'm against ! :-)