More facts on KVKX closing

"Jose" wrote in message
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I find myself One who is willing to follow the rules laid down by the
"leaders" of our country weather or not I agree with them.

That path leads to hell. Be careful just how far you traverse it.

Jose

Not automatically. There is nothing preventing you from working to oppose
or remove the rules to which you object (or those who make them) even as you
currently obey them.

That, IMO, is the essence of how things are meant to work in the USA.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

That path leads to hell. Be careful just how far you traverse it.

Not automatically. There is nothing preventing you from working to oppose
or remove the rules to which you object (or those who make them) even as you
currently obey them.

Correct. One should not disobey laws one disagrees with merely for that
reason - that path leads to anarchy (which is no fun either). However,
I got the (hopefully mistaken) impression from the post that since by
obeying the rules (that she disagreed with) she got what she wanted,
that was sufficient. When bad law is unopposed, law tramples.

Jose
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He who laughs, lasts.
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"John T" wrote:

John Swarey wrote:

As I suspected, the real reason for the closure of Potomac Airfield is
the morons at Hyde.

From http://www.potomac-airfield.com/updated_november_3.htm:
quote
Recently, [David] Wartofsky publicly challenged TSA's implementation of
airspace security policy.

TSA replied by using a poorly disguised 'security violation' to shut down
Wartofsky's business and to drive away his customers.

An insider at TSA this morning confirmed to Wartofsky that in fact, TSA took
this action in retaliation to Wartofsky's challenge, as an attempt to
silence him.
/quote

This makes it sound like Wartofsky picked a fight with the TSA, not
suffering a stab in the back by Hyde users.

Wartofsky's own words from your post were "I was not meticulously staying
below 55 mph..." So he brags that he's not following the letter of the
rules, points to the "rats" at Hyde as the culprit for getting caught, then
claims he's just a victim of the TSA, then tries to claim he's tilting
windmills standing up for the little guy.

Which story am I to believe? And if this is the kind of double-facing
Wartofsky shows the TSA folks, I should expect VKX to stay closed.

You're right, though. It's a shame one pilot (Wartofsky) is causing this
much harm to so many others. Would VKX still be open to vetted pilots if
he'd been "meticulously staying at/below 55"? He'd have much more of my
sympathy if he'd given based aircraft notice he was about to pull this stunt
so they could relocate first.

WAIT A MINUTE!

Apparently, what we have here is abuse of office by the bureaucrats!
Wartofsky has challenged TSA; TSA retaliates. Wartofsky is NOT the
culprit! It is malfeasance by Government officials, who should be
prosecuted for their actions.

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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Apparently, what we have here is abuse of office by the bureaucrats!
Wartofsky has challenged TSA; TSA retaliates. Wartofsky is NOT the
culprit! It is malfeasance by Government officials, who should be
prosecuted for their actions.

Wartofsky is fighting the right battle the wrong way. He freely admitted to
not following the rules. This is akin to having a 25 mph speed limit on a
highway in the middle of nowhere. Does the rule make since? No. Do you
fight it by exceeding the speed limit? No.

What irritated me about this thread in particular was the implication that
Hyde users were responsible for the TSA shutting down Potomac when, in fact,
it was Wartofsky's actions that caused it. If Wartofsky is prone to jumping
to conclusions and picking fights before having all the facts, then I don't
want him fighting on my behalf to eliminate the FRZ/ADIZ.

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"Jose" wrote in message t...
That path leads to hell. Be careful just how far you traverse it.

Not automatically. There is nothing preventing you from working to oppose or remove the rules to which you object
(or those who make them) even as you currently obey them.

Correct. One should not disobey laws one disagrees with merely for that reason - that path leads to anarchy (which is
no fun either). However, I got the (hopefully mistaken) impression from the post that since by obeying the rules
(that she disagreed with) she got what she wanted, that was sufficient. When bad law is unopposed, law tramples.

Jose
--
He who laughs, lasts.
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And how is a bad law changed? Either you get the congress to repeal it or someone needs to be charged who will fight the
law under the constitution...

"John T" wrote in message ...
fight it by exceeding the speed limit? No.

What irritated me about this thread in particular was the implication that Hyde users were responsible for the TSA
shutting down Potomac when, in fact, it was Wartofsky's actions that caused it. If Wartofsky is prone to jumping to
conclusions and picking fights before having all the facts, then I don't want him fighting on my behalf to eliminate
the FRZ/ADIZ.

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John T

So it was not the TSA that shut down the airport? Im sorry but the individual did not cause this. At hte very least it
takes two to tango...

".Blueskies." wrote in message


So it was not the TSA that shut down the airport? Im sorry but the
individual did not cause this. At hte very least it takes two to tango...

Huh? Keep up...

Wartofsky poked the TSA bureaucracy in the eye and didn't follow the rules
imposed on the DC3 so the TSA essentially shut him down. Those are the "two
to tango".

I don't mind somebody taking up the fight with the TSA/FAA/[your alphabet
here], but I'd rather the one doing the fighting not be prone to blaming the
wrong parties and flying off the handle without all the facts. Do those
things does more harm than help to the cause.

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Weren't those the folks called "Loyalists" and sang "God save the King"?

"Michelle P" wrote in message
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I find myself One who is willing to follow the rules laid down by the
"leaders" of our country weather or not I agree with them. I still get
to fly and that is really what counts.
Michelle

John Swarey wrote:

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 00:23:19 GMT, Michelle P
wrote:



John,
Your mis-representation of the true facts is admirable.
Basically the manager of VKX got into a ****ing contest with a TSA agent
and lost. It was not the un-authorized departure out of W32 that caused
the closing. That just got the TSA's attention.
Michelle



Michelle, your mis-hyphenation makes my ****ing brain want to explode.
Basically, you want to think it is OK to turn the fascist Bush regime
on law abiding Americans. You think there is some legitimacy in the
hijacking of American freedom. There is none. This is the ****ing
UNITED States of America.

We are not united turning each other in to the ****ing government. We
are DIVIDED. We are lost. You are lost.

If you find yourself attacking your fellow American, who are you?
Friend or foe?

There-is-no-such-thing-as "freedom to fly"
any-more-than-there-is-a-freedom-to-drive-a-car.
It's-a-privilege-nimrod,-and-all-you're-shouting-and-profanity-won't-change-that.

When you grow wings you will have the "freedom to fly."

And I hope my hyphenation makes what's left of your brain explode.

John


"John Swarey" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 00:23:19 GMT, Michelle P
wrote:

John,
Your mis-representation of the true facts is admirable.
Basically the manager of VKX got into a ****ing contest with a TSA agent
and lost. It was not the un-authorized departure out of W32 that caused
the closing. That just got the TSA's attention.
Michelle

Michelle, your mis-hyphenation makes my ****ing brain want to explode.
Basically, you want to think it is OK to turn the fascist Bush regime
on law abiding Americans. You think there is some legitimacy in the
hijacking of American freedom. There is none. This is the ****ing
UNITED States of America.

We are not united turning each other in to the ****ing government. We
are DIVIDED. We are lost. You are lost.

If you find yourself attacking your fellow American, who are you?
Friend or foe?

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:00:05 -0700, "Tom" wrote:

There-is-no-such-thing-as "freedom to fly"
any-more-than-there-is-a-freedom-to-drive-a-car.
It's-a-privilege-nimrod,-and-all-you're-shouting-and-profanity-won't-change-that.

When you grow wings you will have the "freedom to fly."

And I hope my hyphenation makes what's left of your brain explode.


I have some ****ing news for you, asshole. There is no such thing as
freedom if you buy into the fascist Bush doctrine. Everything you do
is a privilege granted to you by the corporations that run this
country. Does that make you feel better? Do you support this system?
Do you think everything is fine because you can do what you want for
the moment? What will you say when you can't? How many statements do
you think I can present as a question?

You represent everything that is wrong with this country. Your
arrogance is sickening. I do have freedom to fly, I have freedom to do
whatever the **** I want. You do not get to decide how free a person
is. Every single person born on this planet is free. What they do
with that freedom is their own business, but I choose to remain free.

Why do you even try to defend the Hyde attack monkeys? Are you one of
them?

BTW, you're = you are.
****ing moron.