Chicago lawyers plane found in Toronto harbour

I heard on the radio that a small plane from Chicago went missing in the fog
during a landing attempt at the Toronto City Centre Airport.
This morning I see in the newspaper that the plane and the pilot have been
located at the bottom of Lake Ontario. The plane was a Beechcraft that could
seat six people.
There has been no known reason, as yet, as to the cause of the crash, according
to the article.
I think this type of crash may be preventable, if it was due to poor visibility, by the
construction of radio signal buoys parallel to the runways lights and a simple
receiver on board light aircraft. Or visible laser beams criss crossing over the runway.
All of this technology is available, is it not?

We have radio signals that parallel the runways, they are called localizers.
Light beams have been tried all the way back to before WWII without any
favorable outcomes.

Rick Pellicciotti

"Wooduuuward" wrote in message
...
I heard on the radio that a small plane from Chicago went missing in the
fog
during a landing attempt at the Toronto City Centre Airport.
This morning I see in the newspaper that the plane and the pilot have been
located at the bottom of Lake Ontario. The plane was a Beechcraft that
could
seat six people.
There has been no known reason, as yet, as to the cause of the crash,
according
to the article.
I think this type of crash may be preventable, if it was due to poor
visibility, by the
construction of radio signal buoys parallel to the runways lights and a
simple
receiver on board light aircraft. Or visible laser beams criss crossing
over the runway.
All of this technology is available, is it not?

"Wooduuuward" wrote in message
...
I heard on the radio that a small plane from Chicago went missing in the
fog
during a landing attempt at the Toronto City Centre Airport.
This morning I see in the newspaper that the plane and the pilot have been
located at the bottom of Lake Ontario. The plane was a Beechcraft that
could
seat six people.
There has been no known reason, as yet, as to the cause of the crash,
according
to the article.
I think this type of crash may be preventable, if it was due to poor
visibility, by the
construction of radio signal buoys parallel to the runways lights and a
simple
receiver on board light aircraft. Or visible laser beams criss crossing
over the runway.
All of this technology is available, is it not?

Don't take this as a flame or a slam.

It is becoming more and more apparent to me (and others, I would think) that
you are new to aviation. As a place to learn, this is a great forum. I do
have a suggestion that will keep you from coming off as a know-it-all, or an
ass.

As in the case of this post, instead of suggesting a solution to a problem,
why not come out with a question, as to what is available? You will get
answers, but without making yourself look foolish.

In other words, be humble, confess that you don't know it all, and seek
answers. It will keep your reputation much less unstained.

YMMV.
--
Jim in NC

Wooduuuward wrote:
receiver on board light aircraft. Or visible laser beams criss crossing over the runway.
All of this technology is available, is it not?

Yes it is. It's called a VASI. If you can't see that, you can't see a
laser beam either.

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Many runways have localizers or other radio aids to help aircraft land. The
most precise of these is the ILS system, which allows you to not only track
in to the runway, but also guides you down in altitude as well. GPS with
WAAS promises such precision approaches will someday be available at
airports that do not have expensive ILS equipment.

There is no such thing as a visible laser beam. In order for you to see any
kind of light, it has to be reflected off some kind of surface. If you want
to see a laser beam you have to shine it through a fog or cloud of dust of
some kind. I know that in Hollywood you can always see laser beams, but all
Hollywood movies use physics from some other universe than our own. This is
why in movies you not only see laser beams, but also bullets always flash
when they hit something, people can outrun shock waves, and people can stand
around in shorts and without oxygen masks in a cargo plane that has the
doors open in flight, but the hero needs oxygen and a protective suit the
moment he leaves the airplane. You cannot shine a laser beam at an airplane
cockpit because it might blind the pilot. The same fog or clouds that render
an airport invisible will also obscure a laser beam.

The area was fogged in at the time of the crash.

C J Campbell wrote:
snip. . .
There is no such thing as a visible laser beam. In order for you to see any
kind of light, it has to be reflected off some kind of surface. If you want
to see a laser beam you have to shine it through a fog or cloud of dust of
some kind. I know that in Hollywood you can always see laser beams, but all
Hollywood movies use physics from some other universe than our own.P

He reads all this:

There is no such thing as a visible laser beam. In order for you to see any
kind of light, it has to be reflected off some kind of surface. If you want
to see a laser beam you have to shine it through a fog or cloud of dust of
some kind. I know that in Hollywood you can always see laser beams, but all
Hollywood movies use physics from some other universe than our own. This is
why in movies you not only see laser beams, but also bullets always flash
when they hit something, people can outrun shock waves, and people can stand
around in shorts and without oxygen masks in a cargo plane that has the
doors open in flight, but the hero needs oxygen and a protective suit the
moment he leaves the airplane. You cannot shine a laser beam at an airplane
cockpit because it might blind the pilot. The same fog or clouds that render
an airport invisible will also obscure a laser beam.

and then Wooduuuward wrote:

The area was fogged in at the time of the crash.

Don't confuse him with reality, please. It doesn't agree with him.

Mark Hickey

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:44:22 -0400, Wooduuuward
wrote:

The area was fogged in at the time of the crash.

nuf said. A laser is no more visibile than any other light source.
If he couldn't see the VASI, he wouldn't see a laser.


C J Campbell wrote:
snip. . .
There is no such thing as a visible laser beam. In order for you to see any
kind of light, it has to be reflected off some kind of surface. If you want
to see a laser beam you have to shine it through a fog or cloud of dust of
some kind. I know that in Hollywood you can always see laser beams, but all
Hollywood movies use physics from some other universe than our own.P

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