want to design/built my own plane

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Damn you are a jerk, Jim in NC. Do you have a J.D from a top tier
school and four offices making loot like it was being printed there? I
do. You got a Hawker 800. I do. You don't deserve to fly. Flying is for
people with more education than you have!

I don't know what your problem is with me, but you sure showed your butt
with this post.

I was not addressing you; you are not part of this poster coming in showing
his ignorance, like the troll that he is. I do not suffer fools gladly.
Are you one of the fools; a 2nd rate troll?

As far as your education, and your money, and your plane that you have? So
what? Am I supposed to be impressed? Not.

Next time you want to come and post, argue specifics. I don't even know
what post you are replying to, since you included none of the post that got
your panties in a wad. You surely are not worth the effort to go back and
figure it out.

So I'm a jerk? Why? I am so uneducated that I don't deserve to fly? What
leads you to that conclusion?

Wow. I really didn't think rational people reacted to me so badly.
--
Jim in NC

Your post to the guy looking for a cheap plane. " You can't. Flying is
for smart people. Smart people get more education, so
they can get above minimum wage jobs. "

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Your post to the guy looking for a cheap plane. " You can't. Flying is
for smart people. Smart people get more education, so
they can get above minimum wage jobs. "

OK, fair enough. I'll play.

Yep, I was a smart ass. Have you been in this group very long? There are a
lot of kids who get on mommy's computer, and post, without ever using their
brain, and I do treat them rudely.

So do a lot of other people. I'll not speak for other people, but I for one
am tired of them. When I first started on this group, I read for 6 months,
before I ever made my first post. Others should read and learn, then post.

Lets look at what he posted, and more importantly, how he posted.

OP been to oshkosh for the past 4 years and would like my own airplane.
OP until i saw the sticker prices.


Note, that there is no subject in the sentence, no commas, no capital
letters. It looks like a kid, without even looking at the content. Let's
look at that.

So he has been to Osh for the past 4 years, and is just now is discovering
that airplanes are expensive? Wake up and smell the coffee. Yeah, every
kid wants his own plane. How about learning to fly one, or saving up for
one? Get realistic, huh? For that matter, I doubt that he has been to OSH,
unless he lives there, and rode his bike over.

How about that subject, too? He "wants to design/build his own plane"

There is a good thought. Someone who no doubt has never been a pilot, has
been around airplanes so little, that he does not even know that they are
expensive, and he wants to design his own plane. He obviously needs a big
reality check.


OP then I saw the one could build their own planes cheaper.

Still going on like he is on instant messenger, with no sentence structure,
no capitals, words that don't even make sense, in context.

So now he has the bright idea that he can get the bottom line down, by
building his own. There is another realistic thought. With his lack of
experience, he does not have a clue what would be involved. Building is
cheap? Ha!

OP after looking at the available price designs, I started thinking "how
int
OP the world would a person at minimum wage afford a plane?"

Now he does more I.M. writing crap, with an easy to catch typo, and lack of
commas.
Now, let's look at content. He sees the prices, and finds even homebuilt
designs are too much money, not realizing that the price of the kit is only
half of the cost.

Let's be honest. How many people in GA are flying, earning minimum wages?
None? Not many, if any. This is an expensive hobby. Anyone with half of a
brain would quickly figure that out. Not *our* rocket scientist. I
suggested that he was not smart and should get education to get a job above
minimum wage. Good advise, even for people not interested in flying.
People living on minimum wage, are living below the poverty line. There is
no money left for RC planes, and *no* chance of flying full scale, and less
chance of owning.

OP found the affordaplane and legal eagle.

The affordaplane is vaporware, and the Legal Eagle is the most realistic
thing he mentioned.

OP went back to a spruce aircraft catalog and looked in there, saw plans
for
OP the breezy......

OP now the breezy appeals to me. it looks possible to modify, easy to
build,
OP and can be used with a number of different airfoils (whol wind assy's
OP actually)

More I.M. crap. "whol wind assy's" ???? Modify the Breezy, it looks easy
to do, huh?
Easy to build? Not! Perhaps the most welding to do, of any kit or plans
built airplane. Does he have a shop? Does he know how to gas weld? Does
he have enough money to even buy the tube? Does he realize the fact that
it will take a real airplane engine, that will cost more than the whole
Legal Eagle? Most likely, no to all of the questions.

Now he suggests using different airfoils, different wings. A person of his
limited knowledge would be a good candidate for the Darwin Award, if they
were to try messing around with that set of variables.

OP anyone build one?

First good question he has asked, but still, he has not found the shift key.

So yes, I am guilty of being a smarts, and of being rude. I am only slightly
sorry for that.

I hope I sent him a wakeup call, to 1) converse (type) like an adult on an
adult group 2) be realistic about your goals, and what it will take to
achieve them 3) be aware of your abilities, and operate within your
abilities 4) learn to listen and be patient, while learning a new subject
area, so you do not embarrass yourself when you open your mouth 5) while in
newsgroups, it is best to not appear as though you are a troll, because if
not me, someone will flame you for it 6) grow a thick skin in newsgroups,
or you will not last very long.

There it is. That is about all I can say about the subject.

Have a nice day.
--
Jim in NC

"Plane"? I have 19 . Anytime you want to take a look or get a ride in a
Pitts, Sukhoi or an Extra the # is 206 350 ACRO.

Flying cheap - CAN - be done. Check out the Yahoo group FLY5K. If
cheap is the primary goal, I'd forget designing your own. It just
takes a lot more time than you think it will - especially when you
start thinking about something that has more performance than the
average ultralight. Trust me. Been there, done that. I like the
designing as much as building so for me it works out. But if you want
to actually fly the thing use the cookie cutter method.

My brother has a nice Tailwind project going right now and It looks
like it may actually get in the air for under $5K if he doesn't get
sidetracked by buying back our old Aeronca. He ran into some really
good deals and spends lots of time looking at eBay. The hurricanes in
Florida helped some to. Got a 600hr O-320, delivered, for $1300 off
Barnstormers. The add had been up for only 20 minutes when he called
and said "I'll take it". Sometimes you just have to be in the right
place at the right time.............with the cash.

So don't give up. Just make a reasonable plan, gather up what cash you
can, and start shopping. Buying anothers abandonded project can pay
off as well - if the workmanship was good. My brother found his
Tailwind fuselage, mostly finished, for just a bit more than the cost
of the steel. 'course it cost me a fender on my truck, a tire, and an
alignment............but thats another story.
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Leon McAtee
Need to take my advice more often

"Tater Schuld" wrote in message
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been to oshkosh for the past 4 years and would like my own airplane.

until i saw the sticker prices.

then I saw the one could build their own planes cheaper.

after looking at the available price designs, I started thinking "how int
the world would a person at minimum wage afford a plane?"

found the affordaplane and legal eagle.

went back to a spruce aircraft catalog and looked in there, saw plans for
the breezy......

now the breezy appeals to me. it looks possible to modify, easy to build,
and can be used with a number of different airfoils (whol wind assy's
actually)

anyone build one?

Well, a lot depends on what you want to do. If you want to fly, probably the
best thing is to find something to buy. If you want to build for the sake of
building, then for sure, build. If you enjoy the design process, design. But
from the sound of your post, it sounds like your objective is to fly at a
lower cost.

One way to save money would be to look for something used - could be a used
breezy if that't what you really want. A runout Cessna 150 that needs some
work might be the ticket if you can find an aircraft mechanic that will sign
off on your work. Used homebuilts ususally go for less than certified
aircraft. Assuming that your objective is to save money, of course.

Another "middle" option is to find a partially done "project" to save time
and money. There are a lot of airplanes that are started and never
finished... :-( You can often find projects that are 90% done (leaving only
50% left to do.) for not much more than the cost of materials.

You can save money by building, but you will have to work at it. A "fast
build" kit with everything done for you won't save much over buying
something used.

Other lower cost options include partners, renting or joining a club - many
can be a lot more reasonable than single ownership. You can find lower
performance gliders for a lot less than a new car if you really want to own
your own. Glider clubs can be even more economical - downright cheap
compared to most other options. Assuming, of course, that your primary
objective is flying - not building.

If you want't to fly on minimum wage, well, the sad fact is that you are
going to have to get creative. Real creative.

The trick is to decide what you really want to do. Then go for it.

Good Luck.

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Geoff
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