Bonanza Down in AZ

Those were the days, my friend. I was a slow student. It took me 17 hours to in
a T-34.

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:14:41 GMT, Bob Moore wrote:



It's been said you can't attach a lot of significance to any
particular number because every pilot is different;
nevertheless, a student pilot soloing a Bonanza with just over
40 hours ... most of us are thinking the same thing.

Not me! During primary training, I soloed a Bonanza with a total
of 15 hours in the log book....well, we called it a T-34, but I
was doing solo spins in it before I hit 20 hours, and.....I was
getting paid to do it! :-)

Bob Moore

George

How much would an airplane cost, if it were designed by engineers and NOT by the government?

More War stories,

They checked an individual, with no prior flying time, out in a P-80
in about 10 hours in a comedy of errors at Willie in early 50's.

If people are really interested, I'll tell the story but will take me
a while to type an abbreviated version in.

Big John
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:19:59 -0800, "Bob Gardner"
wrote:

Japan Airlines used to train in Bonanzas/King Airs in Napa, CA. No accidents
that I am aware of. For all I know they still do.

Bob Gardner

wrote in message
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Marco Leon mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote:
It sounds like they're doing primary training in a Bonanza. Isn't that
asking for trouble?

Marco

That was my first thought, too.

It's been said you can't attach a lot of significance to any particular
number because every pilot is different; nevertheless, a student pilot
soloing a Bonanza with just over 40 hours ... most of us are thinking
the same thing.

"Big John" wrote in message ...

More War stories,

They checked an individual, with no prior flying time, out in a P-80
in about 10 hours in a comedy of errors at Willie in early 50's.

If people are really interested, I'll tell the story but will take me
a while to type an abbreviated version in.

Big John

I'd sure like to hear it, Big John!

Joe Schneider
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How much would an airplane cost, if it were designed by engineers and NOT by the government?

Interesting thought. Last I knew, airplanes WERE designed by engineers.
Automobiles are another story entirely.

"JJS" jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net wrote in message
...

"Big John" wrote in message
...

More War stories,

They checked an individual, with no prior flying time, out in a P-80
in about 10 hours in a comedy of errors at Willie in early 50's.

If people are really interested, I'll tell the story but will take me
a while to type an abbreviated version in.

Big John

I'd sure like to hear it, Big John!

Ditto!!

So JAL takes zero-time students all the way through to the right seat of a
121 operation? Must be a cut-throat admission process.

Taking zero-time students into a Bonanza still seems like learning to run
before walking to me. Even the US Air Force Academy doesn't start out their
zero cadets in their T-34's.

Marco "Maybe I'm just jealous" Leon


"John Clear" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bob Gardner wrote:
Japan Airlines used to train in Bonanzas/King Airs in Napa, CA. No
accidents
that I am aware of. For all I know they still do.

They still do. There is a whole ramp full of Bonanzas/Barons with
JAL logos on the tail. I dont recall seeing any King Airs, but
they might be there too.

John
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Marco Leon wrote:

It sounds like they're doing primary training in a Bonanza. Isn't that
asking for trouble?

There is a school in Canda that uses Bonanzas and Barons. What a way to
learn!

("Big John" wrote)
More War stories,

They checked an individual, with no prior flying time, out in a P-80 in
about 10 hours in a comedy of errors at Willie in early 50's.

If people are really interested, I'll tell the story but will take me a
while to type an abbreviated version in.


Hunt and peck with two fingers and type us the long version. g

Thanks.


Montblack

Taking zero-time students into a Bonanza still seems like learning to run
before walking to me. Even the US Air Force Academy doesn't start out their
zero cadets in their T-34's.

Academy flight training on again - Airman's World
Airman, *Feb, 2003 *by Tech. Sgt. Ken Wright

U.S. AIR FORCE ACADEMY, Colo.-After a five-year absence from the Academy
airfield, the school's introductory flight training is at full throttle
again.
In November, 12 second lieutenants from the class of 2002 became the
first fledgling pilots to take part in the new program.
The academy started training pilots in the 1960s. But after three cadets
and three instructors died in 1997 accidents, the program was suspended.
Then the Air Force started to see attrition rates skyrocket at
specialized undergraduate pilot training bases. That sent a clear
message for the need to restart the program, Air Force officials said.
The program prescreens cadets before they go to specialized
undergraduate pilot training. That one-year training is costly.
"Without a prescreening process, we found attrition rates at
[specialized undergraduate pilot training] almost tripled," said Col.
Brian Bishop, 34th Operations Group commander.
Now cadets who want to become pilots must first fly single-engine
airplanes. This prescreening helps academy officials decide if a cadet
has the stuff to make it through pilot training.
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The academy did have an alternate introductory program. In 1998 it
started sending cadets and recent graduates to civilian airfields for
introductory flight training. That improved the attrition rates at the
next level of flight training. But officials realized that without
direct military oversight, a critical part of training future combat
pilots was missing.
The Air Force felt that including some aspects of military pilot
training-like formal stand-up briefings, pilot checklists, and standards
for reacting to emergencies-would better prepare students for
specialized undergraduate pilot training. Plus, an "on-base" program
would provide more time for their busy schedule.
In July 2001, the academy announced the new program to bring
introductory flight training back to the academy's airfield.
The academy launched the new program under a contract with Embry-Riddle
Aeronautical University, which will provide civilian instructors. The
old program had military instructor pilots.
"Although students will receive guidance primarily from Embry-Riddle
instructors, Air Force pilots will continue to check the progress cadets
make throughout their training," said Ma]. Kevin Mastin, director of
operations for the 557th Flying Training Squadron.
"A military pilot is going to use a plane to conduct war," Mastin said.
"We must make sure they are prepared to fly for the military. If we see
a trend with a student pilot, such as high anxiety or continued air
sickness, the student might be encouraged to take a different career
path."
Student pilots must log 50 hours behind the stick in a Diamond Katana
DA20-C1 Falcon aircraft to graduate. Before they only had to have 18 to
25 hours. Graduates receive a Federal Aviation Administration private
pilot license.

Big John wrote:

More War stories,

They checked an individual, with no prior flying time, out in a P-80
in about 10 hours in a comedy of errors at Willie in early 50's.

If people are really interested, I'll tell the story but will take me
a while to type an abbreviated version in.

Big John


Well now you have to!