Shafted by the Transport Canada?

And, of course, since
I'm a Texan, I *always* have a gun or two in my plane...
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Then you are good to fly with me anytime... I hate hauling mooches who
expect me to supply the plane, the gas, and the shootin irons...

Reminds me of the time Frank, a third cousin from Arizona, came to
Michigan to visit family he had never seen... Frank had this good ol
pickemup truck, so me and another cousin jumped in and went to the
county fair all teenagers at the time... Whilst at the fair we
managed to get an older friend to buy a couple of pitchers of beer at
the FFA concession... Couldn't buy em myself because an aunt was at the
cash register and she was pretty strait laced - for you city folks,
that's how small towns used to be... Anyway, we were feeling pretty
cheerful on the way home and Frank allowed as how we ought do some
shooting, so we stopped the edge of my dad's woods.. Frank then rooted
around under the seat and came up with a six shooter... I was feeling
cheerful from the beer but I still knew the law... I mentioned to Frank
that in Michigan waving a handgun without a concealed carry permit was
a definite no-no... He was incredulous...
"Whut kinda state is this?", he said?
So, after doing some shooting we went on up to the house... He was
leaving back to Arizona the next morning so I suggested I had an old
steel tool box and a padlock that I would give him to lock his shooting
iron in for the trip back in case he got stopped by the highway
patrol..
"Well OK.", he says, "If it will hold my other guns."
That stopped even cousin Dave who wasn't holding his beer to well...
"Cripes, how many guns you got in here?", says I...
"Geez, I dunno, let me look."
After rooting around under the seats, behind the seat back, in the
glove compartment, and under the dash he came up with five more,
"shootin irons"! Including one he had forgotten about, "I wundered
whur thet one went to."

It was a different world back then... Opening day of bird hunting
season we got out of high school at 11AM to be out in the fields by the
noon starting time... The teachers and principal would all come out to
the parking lot and go around looking at everyones' shotguns and to
show off their shotguns... So we would have 50, or more, teenagers and
adults milling around with shotguns in their hands, on the school
grounds... Can you imagine the reaction to that today?

denny

In a previous article, "Grumman-581" said:
"Chris" wrote in message
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No a flight plan must be filed when crossing an international border.

Not always... Was flying back to Houston from SoCal a few years ago and
landing in El Paso for the night and and to refuel... I was routed well

The original poster is being accused of violating a Canadian regulation,
so I don't see how a story about a flight between two different
countries, neither of them Canada, is at all relevant.

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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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The original poster is being accused of violating a Canadian regulation,
so I don't see how a story about a flight between two different
countries, neither of them Canada, is at all relevant.

It's relevant to the post to which the story was posted in reply.

Oddly enough, you quoted enough of the thread to show that in your own post.
I don't know why you didn't notice the answer to your own question there.

Pete

("Denny" wrote)
It was a different world back then... Opening day of bird hunting season
we got out of high school at 11AM to be out in the fields by the noon
starting time... The teachers and principal would all come out to the
parking lot and go around looking at everyones' shotguns and to show off
their shotguns... So we would have 50, or more, teenagers and adults
milling around with shotguns in their hands, on the school grounds... Can
you imagine the reaction to that today?


Shop class project in 1973 - gun rack. One kid made a very nice wooden
hunting bow, which he later brought home on the school bus.

Forward to 2004. We're over at the local gun club (same land they want to
build the new Vikings Stadium on) and a couple of school buses full of high
school kids pull into the parking lot. Many of the kids are wearing their
letter jackets.

Bam, bam, bam, bam. They start blasting away at the clay targets with their
shotguns. "Pull." Bam, bam, bam, bam. I'm guessing five kids (boys and
girls) were shooting at any one time. There were maybe 50 kids there that
day, milling around, talking, laughing, shooting, drinking their pops and
waters.

The teacher and two other adults were hanging back around the picnic tables,
chatting, keeping an eye on things - talking to the kids who were finished
shooting. Maybe they were logging the scores?

My friend and I were dumbstruck, it was so cool.


Montblack

Write a letter stating that you filed a flight plan. Then tell them they
waited to long and the tapes had already been erased. Then tell them you
will consider the case closed and any further response will be done through
your lawyer. Tell them if it goes to court you will go after all fee's.
There is no way they can prove you didnt file.
If they respond just keep sending letters with the same thing, then send
them a bill. I bet they eventually get tired of dealing with it and just
drop it.
Have fun with it, and dont fly to Canada.

There is no way they can prove you didnt file.

In Canada are you innocent until proven guilty, or is there a
presumption of guilt attached to an official accusation?

Jose
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Denny" wrote in news:1143501960.738336.228340
@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:

Snipola
It was a different world back then... Opening day of bird hunting
season we got out of high school at 11AM to be out in the fields by the
noon starting time... The teachers and principal would all come out to
the parking lot and go around looking at everyones' shotguns and to
show off their shotguns... So we would have 50, or more, teenagers and
adults milling around with shotguns in their hands, on the school
grounds... Can you imagine the reaction to that today?

denny

Back in '86 in high school, many kids dressed up for Halloween.
One girl I knew dressed as a police officer, borrowing one of her
fathers uniforms. She even had the .38. No bullets, of course. In
chemistry class we were playing with it and the teacher caught us.
"Put that away and pay attention."

Several years ago a kid was expelled from a school because he had a
keychain fob in the shape of a gun, about 1 inch in size, no moving
parts. "Zero tolerance policy".

Yes, times have changed.

Brian
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wrote in message
oups.com...
[...]
BTW, I had spoken to the Transport Canada investigator several times
after making my FOIA request. At some point last fall, he said they
were dropping their investigation because they weren't clear on whether
I even needed to file a flight plan. Then this morning I got the
letter saying I need to pay a fine. I wonder if the original
investigator will answer his phone when I call him tomorrow.

Just be glad you aren't dealing with US officials. In the US, no one you
talk to in the bureaucracy would ever come close to admitting fault, and
they'd probably be threatening you with seizure of your airplane and your
pilot certificate or some such nonsense.

It's unfortunate that your experience has been so marked by bureaucratic
slip-ups, but I suspect that's all it is. And my experience with the
Canadian bureaucracy is that, if they are at times inefficient and sloppy
(as with all bureaucracies), they don't seem to have anything to prove and
are generally reasonably polite. This is based on interactions with their
Customs, their ATC, Transport Canada, and their equivalent of the US Forest
Service (don't recall the name at the moment).

I'd much rather deal with the Canadian government than my own, any day of
the week.

It sounds to me as though you are close to having your case closed, without
you having to pay the fine. It may involve some more red tape, but that's
par for the course for a bureaucracy.

Bottom line - CYA when you fly to Canada. File IFR or tape your radio
calls. I doubt I'll ever fly there again - high user fees, high gas
prices, and disputes over whether I filed.

Well, if you never plan to fly there again, just tell the investigator the
next time you speak to him that you know you don't owe the fine, that you
aren't going to pay it, and that cleaning up the paperwork is his problem.


Pete

"nooneimportant" wrote in message
news:stZVf.1862$qd.737@fed1read08...
Course everytime i went down I filed IFR, tho
the wx was severe clear (aside from the big
brown cloud over Juarez, MX, i thought PHX
was bad!).

Higher concentration of refried beans in Juarez than in Phoenix, I
suspect...

"Denny" wrote in message
oups.com...
After rooting around under the seats, behind the seat back, in the
glove compartment, and under the dash he came up with five more,
"shootin irons"! Including one he had forgotten about, "I wundered
whur thet one went to."

I seldom have more than 3 in any one particular vehicle... Unless I'm going
to the gun range or something... Most are locked up in my 1500 lb gun safe
at home...

It was a different world back then... Opening day of bird hunting
season we got out of high school at 11AM to be out in the fields by the
noon starting time... The teachers and principal would all come out to
the parking lot and go around looking at everyones' shotguns and to
show off their shotguns... So we would have 50, or more, teenagers and
adults milling around with shotguns in their hands, on the school
grounds... Can you imagine the reaction to that today?

Where I went to high school, it was not uncommon to see shotguns and rifles
on racks in the back of trucks... Guys were likely to go hunting after
school... These days, they have different rules at that high school... Not
sure about the firearms, but they don't allow you to carry a knife with a
blade longer than 2" or so...