Trouble ahead over small plane fees

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:

Trouble is politicians love bureaucracy. If it costs $2.00 to collect
$1.00 that's just fine by them.

We just got a bill for $6 for a landing @ BDR, back in January.

I can't believe the $6 covers the cost of collecting the money.

In the UK a based plane will pay a flat amount for unlimited landing at the
base airfield. One invoice $300 and you use it or lose it.

At other fields, I pay cash which is cheaper than anything else £5 cash or
£10 if you are invoiced.

by "Dave Stadt" Apr 10, 2006 at 11:49 PM


already in place.

Trouble is politicians love bureaucracy. If it costs $2.00 to collect
$1.00
that's just fine by them. Just means they can create a bureaucracy to
determine how to create another bureaucracy to raise the $1.00 the first
bureaucracy came up short.



Solution is simple. Raise AV gas taxes to a level that covers the expense
associated with subsidizing thousands of GA airports. (Capital and
operating subsidies).

I can post the contribution of various revenue sources to the AIP (again).
As has already been demonstrated, AV gas taxes represent a tiny fraction.
Of course this FACT is not mentioned by the Destroyer or other advocates of
taxpayer subsidies for rec flying.

Solution is simple. Raise AV gas taxes to a level that covers the expense
associated with subsidizing thousands of GA airports.

So, do GA pilots then get a cut of the extra business we bring to the city?

Jose
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by Jose Apr 11, 2006 at 02:13 PM



So, do GA pilots then get a cut of the extra business we bring to the
city?

Jose



C'mon Jose, rhetorical questions are not your style. ;-)

Of course, the subsidies are not limited to federal subsidies. Off the
top of my head, state subsidies goto Worcester, Mass, and the Minneapolis
area GA airports are subsidized by the commercial airport.

As you know, a tax subsidy reduces the true price of a good, and
artificially increases demand. Econ 101.

Skylune wrote:

Solution is simple. Raise AV gas taxes to a level that covers the expense
associated with subsidizing thousands of GA airports. (Capital and
operating subsidies).

Where does that leave planes that use Mogas? How about jet fuel?

How do privately owned or municipal airports get a cut of the fuel tax?

What about joint-use civil / military fields?

by B A R R Y Apr 11, 2006 at 02:25 PM


Skylune wrote:

Solution is simple. Raise AV gas taxes to a level that covers the
expense
associated with subsidizing thousands of GA airports. (Capital and
operating subsidies).

Where does that leave planes that use Mogas? How about jet fuel?

How do privately owned or municipal airports get a cut of the fuel tax?

What about joint-use civil / military fields?



Municipal airports would get their slice if existing grant stucture is
maintained. They would just be paying their share.

Military is and should be taxpayer funded.

I think a better solution would be to zero out the federal subsidies to GA
airports, and let the airports compete in the marketplace, or let the
states or sponsoring municipalities provide the subsidies if there is
justification. Since GA is such an economic powerhouse, according to
Boyer, there should not be a problem.

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:25:39 GMT, B A R R Y wrote in
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Where does that leave planes that use Mogas?

That is a difficult issue to resolve. Fortunately Mogas usage, as a
percentage of all aviation fuels consumed in the US, is only a
miniscule fraction.

How about jet fuel?

Perhaps it would be more equitable to levy a per-gallon tax on jet
fuel than to have the current airline ticket tax. That is the counter
proposal the National Business Aviation Association should be
proposing.

How many gallons (not pounds/tons) of fuel does a B-747 hold? :-)

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Where does that leave planes that use Mogas?

Paying taxes for roads that they won't be operating their aircraft on?

Skylune wrote:

Solution is simple. Raise AV gas taxes to a level that covers the expense
associated with subsidizing thousands of GA airports. (Capital and
operating subsidies).


What is your evidence that thousands of GA airports are being
subsidized?



I can post the contribution of various revenue sources to the AIP (again).
As has already been demonstrated, AV gas taxes represent a tiny fraction.
Of course this FACT is not mentioned by the Destroyer or other advocates of
taxpayer subsidies for rec flying.


Who advocates subsidies for rec flying?

by "roncachamp" Apr 11, 2006 at 08:16 AM




What is your evidence that thousands of GA airports are being
subsidized?



Who advocates subsidies for rec flying?



You gotta be kidding me. Do you know how the AIP is funded, by source.
Do you know if your local airport does a project, it is usually 90% funded
by FAA grants, 5% state, and 5% local???

Do you know about the $150k annual operating subsidies that many GA
airports receive??

Do you know about the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, that determine
tax expenditures for various transportation categories??

I guess not. Just listen to Boyer, and his hyperbole and rhetorical
arguments.

(Why am I starting to see an analogy between the Boyer-types and the
French student protestors?)