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Jim Macklin wrote:

Would it be better to wait a few months or years for the
religious fanatics to have a dozen or even hundred nuclear
weapons and the missiles needed to strike 1,000 miles or
more? Almost all of Europe would be targeted and then the
world could have a two-sided nuclear war. France, Italy,
Germany, Russia, and Israel would all be attacked. The USA
might be safe from direct missile attack, but if you know
what will happen, why wait for the final step?

We can use conventional bombs, but we also need to be sure
that the underground factories are destroyed and they were
designed to be hardened, nukes will do the job.

So what? Everytime someone else figures out how to construct a nuclear
bomb you attack them? Look it's not really groundbreaking technology
anymore to make a fission bomb. The hardest part is to enrich the
uranium (because it's a complicated process that requires a lot of
advanced chemistry and centrifuge technology,, not to mention a lot of
uranium ore) or the other alternative is to use plutonium (requires a
more complicated bomb design due to unwanted Pu-240), or maybe even
thorium. Plutonium, as a Doc said, is a little harder to come by if you
don't have your own reactor. But basically if you have enough U-235,
all you need to do is construct a conventional explosive device to smash
two sufficiently sized balls of uranium together, and presto! You have
an a-bomb. There's god-knows how much Soviet weapons grade material
that nobody knows what happened to floating around as well, so that
takes care of your enrichening problem.

If you're going to attack everyone who figures this out (no matter how
crazy they may want to be) you're going to be very very busy for a long
time. And how do you know where all of these supposed factories are?
What do you do when they are beneath apartment buildings or schools or
hospitals? And if you start bombing around, don't forget to duck when
the mail comes in back home.

One person's religious fanatic is another person's leader.

Taylor wrote:
time. And how do you know where all of these supposed factories are?

oh, that one's easy: you just rely on the info from the same
intelligence agencies that found the WMD in Iraq. They are real
good at this kind of things.

Anyway, anyone who thinks the 'Iran' problem has anything to do with
them bragging about nukes is a tad naive; they are doing something
far worse than that, and that's what is going to get them bombed: they
are about to start trading oil in euros instead of dollars.

--Sylvain

Iran is run by lunatics and they are threatening to blow up
the world while they are actively enriching uranium ore.
Why wait longer?



"Taylor" wrote in message
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|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| Would it be better to wait a few months or years for the
| religious fanatics to have a dozen or even hundred
nuclear
| weapons and the missiles needed to strike 1,000 miles or
| more? Almost all of Europe would be targeted and then
the
| world could have a two-sided nuclear war. France,
Italy,
| Germany, Russia, and Israel would all be attacked. The
USA
| might be safe from direct missile attack, but if you
know
| what will happen, why wait for the final step?
|
| We can use conventional bombs, but we also need to be
sure
| that the underground factories are destroyed and they
were
| designed to be hardened, nukes will do the job.
|
| So what? Everytime someone else figures out how to
construct a nuclear
| bomb you attack them? Look it's not really groundbreaking
technology
| anymore to make a fission bomb. The hardest part is to
enrich the
| uranium (because it's a complicated process that requires
a lot of
| advanced chemistry and centrifuge technology,, not to
mention a lot of
| uranium ore) or the other alternative is to use plutonium
(requires a
| more complicated bomb design due to unwanted Pu-240), or
maybe even
| thorium. Plutonium, as a Doc said, is a little harder to
come by if you
| don't have your own reactor. But basically if you have
enough U-235,
| all you need to do is construct a conventional explosive
device to smash
| two sufficiently sized balls of uranium together, and
presto! You have
| an a-bomb. There's god-knows how much Soviet weapons
grade material
| that nobody knows what happened to floating around as
well, so that
| takes care of your enrichening problem.
|
| If you're going to attack everyone who figures this out
(no matter how
| crazy they may want to be) you're going to be very very
busy for a long
| time. And how do you know where all of these supposed
factories are?
| What do you do when they are beneath apartment buildings
or schools or
| hospitals? And if you start bombing around, don't forget
to duck when
| the mail comes in back home.
|
| One person's religious fanatic is another person's leader.
|
|
|
|
|
|

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:38:39 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Would it be better to wait a few months or years for the
religious fanatics to have a dozen or even hundred nuclear
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

there are already some fanatics with nukes at hand. And I become more
afraid about them using those nukes every day.

weapons and the missiles needed to strike 1,000 miles or
more? Almost all of Europe would be targeted and then the
world could have a two-sided nuclear war. France, Italy,

you see Europeans freaking out like you (many Americans) do?

Germany, Russia, and Israel would all be attacked. The USA

well, I couldn't care less for Israel (as a nation), still, they are all
human beings.

might be safe from direct missile attack, but if you know
what will happen, why wait for the final step?

We can use conventional bombs, but we also need to be sure
that the underground factories are destroyed and they were
designed to be hardened, nukes will do the job.

you first have to find a solution how you then can bring out the oil after
you have contaminated a good part of OUR world (note: it is not _yours_
alone).

How easy it got and people couldn't care less about the death of a
gazillion human beings ... *shudder*

#m
--
"We're out of toilet paper sir!"
http://www.webcrunchers.com/crunch/Play/history/stories/toilet.html

Japan has two cities that were bombed with very dirty bombs
[because they were so inefficient and large]. They seem to
live there very well today.

As for contaminating the oil fields or even all of Iran,
modern bombs are very small and have little heavy metal. It
would be much better if Iran would cooperate, so far they
have rejected all offers. They have been shown as willing
to send huge numbers of children into battle to die.

Iran chose to build their nuclear plants under their cities
population centers as protection. Iran does not consider
other population centers as "targets off limits" so why
should the USA grant them a sanctuary?

I'm sure that military planners have located critical
targets and have planned the best and least destructive
methods for eliminating the threat presented. Or we can
wait for the rest of the world to arm so it will be a really
big war. Waiting works very well, it worked for Hitler.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
news | On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:38:39 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| Would it be better to wait a few months or years for the
| religious fanatics to have a dozen or even hundred
nuclear
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
| there are already some fanatics with nukes at hand. And I
become more
| afraid about them using those nukes every day.
|
| weapons and the missiles needed to strike 1,000 miles or
| more? Almost all of Europe would be targeted and then
the
| world could have a two-sided nuclear war. France, Italy,
|
| you see Europeans freaking out like you (many Americans)
do?
|
| Germany, Russia, and Israel would all be attacked. The
USA
|
| well, I couldn't care less for Israel (as a nation),
still, they are all
| human beings.
|
| might be safe from direct missile attack, but if you know
| what will happen, why wait for the final step?
|
| We can use conventional bombs, but we also need to be
sure
| that the underground factories are destroyed and they
were
| designed to be hardened, nukes will do the job.
|
| you first have to find a solution how you then can bring
out the oil after
| you have contaminated a good part of OUR world (note: it
is not _yours_
| alone).
|
| How easy it got and people couldn't care less about the
death of a
| gazillion human beings ... *shudder*
|
| #m
| --
| "We're out of toilet paper sir!"
|
http://www.webcrunchers.com/crunch/Play/history/stories/toilet.html

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:49:31 +0200, Martin Hotze
wrote:

you see Europeans freaking out like you (many Americans) do?

Germany, Russia, and Israel would all be attacked. The USA

well, I couldn't care less for Israel

Then you ought to understand why few Americans give a hoot about
Germany, Russia, France, and all that. "Distant countries about whom
we know little" as a British statesman once said.

- all the best, Dan Ford

Wikipedia: the belief that 10,000 monkeys playing at
10,000 keyboards can create a reference work

Yes, just like how our good friends, the European allies, helped us "disarm"
Iraq with the Oil for Fools scandal. It's no wonder why we put such so
faith in world diplomacy acting against renegade nations.

You need to understand that your instransigence, corruption and greed
deprives us of effective diplomacy. And then, what's left? Military action
and European whining. Well, never mind. Your politicians have their
million/billions.

If you think it is "our" world (and I agree with you, here), then it's time
to start acting like it.


you first have to find a solution how you then can bring out the oil after
you have contaminated a good part of OUR world (note: it is not _yours_
alone).

All the talk about nukes is missing the future WMD, engineered
viruses. In a few years it will be possible for a very small group of
people to design and manufacture viruses that are highly contagious
and cause a high percentage of fatalities. Yes, it would be very hard
to limit their destruction once released but to fanatics who simply
hate that does not matter.

That is the real threat.

Mike Schumann

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...
All the talk about nukes is missing the future WMD, engineered
viruses. In a few years it will be possible for a very small group of
people to design and manufacture viruses that are highly contagious
and cause a high percentage of fatalities. Yes, it would be very hard
to limit their destruction once released but to fanatics who simply
hate that does not matter.

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:01:55 -0700, Bob Fry
wrote:

All the talk about nukes is missing the future WMD, engineered
viruses. In a few years it will be possible for a very small group of

What do you mean in a few years? According to several limited
incidents and news stories it's possible now.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
people to design and manufacture viruses that are highly contagious
and cause a high percentage of fatalities. Yes, it would be very hard
to limit their destruction once released but to fanatics who simply
hate that does not matter.