Air Scooter a Farce???

Flyingmonk wrote
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
If their smart they are trying to figure out how to make it
autorotate. Without that it is a death trap.

"If they're smart" they'd design in the ability to autorotate or have
power redondancy.

Well...you corrected Gig's "their", but being a fixed wing pilot,
I'm not sure what this "power redondancy" is in rotary wing talk.

:-) :-)

Bob Moore

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Because a properly executed autorotation is a very controlled landing
with
g-forces no different than a normal landing.

NTSB database is full of reports of Jet Rangers and the like breaking
skids when being autorotated by professional pilots.

-Robert


Just because they are professional pilots doesn't mean the autorotation that
broke the skids was properly executed. And for every 1 that broke the skids
there are no telling how many that did no damage to the airframe.

Is there a single case of a BRS being used on ANY aircraft that the airframe
wasn't damaged? And looking at the air scooter if the airframe is damaged
you can bet your ass that the pilot will be as well.

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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Flyingmonk wrote
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
If their smart they are trying to figure out how to make it
autorotate. Without that it is a death trap.

"If they're smart" they'd design in the ability to autorotate or have
power redondancy.

Well...you corrected Gig's "their", but being a fixed wing pilot,
I'm not sure what this "power redondancy" is in rotary wing talk.

:-) :-)

Bob Moore

Well yes I mistyped and wrote their when I should have written they're. That
didn't keep me from passing the check ride for my rotorcraft-helicopter
rating though.

Is there a single case of a BRS being used on ANY aircraft that the airframe wasn't damaged?

I was just wondering if there is a single case of a helicopter doing an
actual auto rotation were it wasn't damaged. When I flew the Bell 47 it
wasn't much of an issue but the big lifting helos and even the Jet
Rangers don't have it quite so easy. I think the weights they put on
the ends of the rotors are only there to give enough energy to save
lives, not necessarily to avoid damaging the aircraft.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Is there a single case of a BRS being used on ANY aircraft that the
airframe wasn't damaged?

I was just wondering if there is a single case of a helicopter doing an
actual auto rotation were it wasn't damaged. When I flew the Bell 47 it
wasn't much of an issue but the big lifting helos and even the Jet
Rangers don't have it quite so easy. I think the weights they put on
the ends of the rotors are only there to give enough energy to save
lives, not necessarily to avoid damaging the aircraft.

-Robert


Practice auto-rotation to touchdown is done as normal training in Jet
Rangers.

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Bob Moore wrote:
Flyingmonk wrote
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
If their smart they are trying to figure out how to make it
autorotate. Without that it is a death trap.

"If they're smart" they'd design in the ability to autorotate or have
power redondancy.

Well...you corrected Gig's "their", but being a fixed wing pilot,
I'm not sure what this "power redondancy" is in rotary wing talk.

:-) :-)

Bob Moore

By having two, three or four engines like the Nolan brother's or the
Gen 4.

Monk

Flyingmonk wrote:
Bob Moore wrote:
Flyingmonk wrote
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
If their smart they are trying to figure out how to make it
autorotate. Without that it is a death trap.

"If they're smart" they'd design in the ability to autorotate or have
power redondancy.

Well...you corrected Gig's "their", but being a fixed wing pilot,
I'm not sure what this "power redondancy" is in rotary wing talk.

:-) :-)

Bob Moore

By having two, three or four engines like the Nolan brother's or the
Gen 4.

Monk

Two engined:
http://www.helis.com/types/comultra.php
*scroll down to Eagle's Perch.

Four engined:
http://www.gen-corp.jp/GENH-4_en/

I'd still prefer a one engined helo with autorotation capability over
the above two.

Monk

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Is there a single case of a BRS being used on ANY aircraft that the
airframe wasn't damaged?

I was just wondering if there is a single case of a helicopter doing an
actual auto rotation were it wasn't damaged. When I flew the Bell 47 it
wasn't much of an issue but the big lifting helos and even the Jet
Rangers don't have it quite so easy. I think the weights they put on
the ends of the rotors are only there to give enough energy to save
lives, not necessarily to avoid damaging the aircraft.

-Robert


Well I know of at least one. During my training and with about 5 hours of
solo I had to autorotate when I lost the engine in an R22. Thank god I had
just spent the previous hour practicing autos with my instructor. The only
difference was instead of to hover as practiced I had to land it.

The instructor walked out to the taxiway wondering why I had landed and
parked there.

Flyingmonk wrote

"If they're smart" they'd design in the ability to autorotate or have
power redondancy.

Well...you corrected Gig's "their", but being a fixed wing pilot,
I'm not sure what this "power redondancy" is in rotary wing talk.
:-) :-)

By having two, three or four engines like the Nolan brother's or the
Gen 4.


Yes, I know what "redunancy" means, how about "redonancy"? :-)

Bob

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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Flyingmonk wrote

"If they're smart" they'd design in the ability to autorotate or have
power redondancy.

Well...you corrected Gig's "their", but being a fixed wing pilot,
I'm not sure what this "power redondancy" is in rotary wing talk.
:-) :-)

By having two, three or four engines like the Nolan brother's or the
Gen 4.


Yes, I know what "redunancy" means, how about "redonancy"? :-)

Bob

But.....do either of you know what "redundancy" is?

allen