Vintage Jet Slams Into Homes Near Air Show

Skylune wrote:
Yeah. Don't want to "sensationalize" a jet crashing into a (fortunately
vacant) home, and destroying it.

Exactly. There is no need to add sensationalism.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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So it "slams" in to a house vs. just "crashed" into a house.

The house is a smoking hole. The houses on either side look like a jet
crashed into the house next door. The rest is semantics. There is almost
no debris field beyond those three or four houses.

-c

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Using the word crash would miss the sensationalism. Gotta use the word
"slams". Comes from a special journalist's thesauruses.

The journalists around Oregon were calling the guy a hero within an hour of
the crash. Give 'em a break.

I should also point out that, once footage of the crash taken from the
airshow came in, the Channel 8 News cut to their weatherman for comment.
Turns out he's a commercial pilot of 20 years as well, so he went through
the whole Minimum Controllable Airspeed discussion (wings wobbling on
takeoff, increasing angle of attack while descending)...

In this case, the local media did a very good job.

-c

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Exactly. There is no need to add sensationalism.

They didn't. They described it. The jet very clearly slammed into the home.

-c

"Chris G." wrote in message
reenews.net...
I heard an interview with a person who was a part of the homeowners'
association and (from what I could tell) the association was suggesting
this was a tragedy, but that the airport and local officials are
prepared and that, while they do worry about this very thing, the
homeowners do understand there is risk. Basically, I felt they did a
good job of not immediately placing blame on the pilot, airshow, or
airport.

Yeah, I noticed that too. The media claimed that there had never been an
airshow accident and didn't mention the jet that crashed nearby recently or
the fact that a wingwalker fell off in '91 (some stunt pilots saved him.
Some viewers huddled around my little freq scanner, and remember those
discussions still turns my spine cold.)

It would be very unfair to villify the local media at this point. In fact,
the airshow has always been a local media darling.

-c

Who was that? Dave Salesky? I saw Ron Petersen's take on it and he
said "weather was perfect...mid-80's, blah blah". I don't think he is a
pilot. He didn't sound like one and, also, mid-80's is not perfect when
considering density altitude as a POTENTIAL factor. I know, HIO is not
high or humid, but it was hotter than standard temperature.

Btw, I had a nice flight to Mulino for blueberry pancakes and then to
Evergreen for one last landing before it closes tomorrow for good.

Chris G.

gatt wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Using the word crash would miss the sensationalism. Gotta use the word
"slams". Comes from a special journalist's thesauruses.

The journalists around Oregon were calling the guy a hero within an hour of
the crash. Give 'em a break.

I should also point out that, once footage of the crash taken from the
airshow came in, the Channel 8 News cut to their weatherman for comment.
Turns out he's a commercial pilot of 20 years as well, so he went through
the whole Minimum Controllable Airspeed discussion (wings wobbling on
takeoff, increasing angle of attack while descending)...

In this case, the local media did a very good job.

-c

"john smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
"gatt" wrote:

By the way, ALL of those homes out there are newer than both the airport
and
the airshow itself. No outcry from the local homeowner's
association...yet...

Using Google Earth, what airport/runway/direction/distance from the
airport?

I assume you've found Hillsboro Airport. He was using RWY 30, and he was
on downwind. If you look at Google Earth, you'll see a long, straight road
heading east/west to the east hangar city. That's Airport Road. On the
south side of Airport Road you will see two square suburban housing areas.
He struck on the east end of the east of the two square "blocks", very near
a grass field just east. In fact, he missed the field by a matter of yards.
The coordinates I show for the house are 45.32.10.99 N 122.55.11.66 W , so,
maybe .75 mile east and slightly southeast of the runway intersection.

http://katu.com/stories/87633.html shows a somewhat clear view of the
remains of the house. You can see the field just east on GoogleEarth and if
you note, just south of that is a parking lot and a shopping center. Had he
crashed south of the field instead of west, it could have been a major
disaster.

The suburbs have encroached on the airfield boundary but the city loves the
airshow, and every year people watch from their rooftops, swimming pools and
backyards (I lived very near in an apartment and one day a B-2 turned
downwind-to-base over our pool, which was even further east.) Nevertheless,
the local TV news was airing all kinds of calls from local witnesses who
described the pilot as heroic because they said he appeared to be aiming for
the grass field.

-c

"Chris G." wrote in message
reenews.net...
Who was that? Dave Salesky? I saw Ron Petersen's take on it and he
said "weather was perfect...mid-80's, blah blah". I don't think he is a
pilot.

Salesky or Zaffino, I'm pretty sure

He didn't sound like one and, also, mid-80's is not perfect when
considering density altitude as a POTENTIAL factor. I know, HIO is not
high or humid, but it was hotter than standard temperature.

I was pretty worried that it might have been a similar jet out of Troutdale.
He can't launch on hot days because he can barely clear the fence at the end
of the runway. In the Oregon sense of hot, this was one of those days, but
HIO's runway is twice as long.

Btw, I had a nice flight to Mulino for blueberry pancakes and then to
Evergreen for one last landing before it closes tomorrow for good.

I'm just down the road from Evergreen now. Didn't know it was closing.
It's a bad sign when they've mowed the weeds -around- the birds parked
there. I spent yesterday practicing for my commercial checkride.

For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life. Meanwhile, we've
watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while
they jumped from the bridge and smacked their brains all over the rocks
below. Oregon is at, what, 20 drowning deaths this year since June 1?

-c

I know Dave Salesky *is* a pilot. He has an Aeronca Champ. A
coworker's husband met him who is a student pilot and he showed off the
plane that day.

Chris G.

gatt wrote:
"Chris G." wrote in message
reenews.net...
Who was that? Dave Salesky? I saw Ron Petersen's take on it and he
said "weather was perfect...mid-80's, blah blah". I don't think he is a
pilot.

Salesky or Zaffino, I'm pretty sure

He didn't sound like one and, also, mid-80's is not perfect when
considering density altitude as a POTENTIAL factor. I know, HIO is not
high or humid, but it was hotter than standard temperature.

I was pretty worried that it might have been a similar jet out of Troutdale.
He can't launch on hot days because he can barely clear the fence at the end
of the runway. In the Oregon sense of hot, this was one of those days, but
HIO's runway is twice as long.

Btw, I had a nice flight to Mulino for blueberry pancakes and then to
Evergreen for one last landing before it closes tomorrow for good.

I'm just down the road from Evergreen now. Didn't know it was closing.
It's a bad sign when they've mowed the weeds -around- the birds parked
there. I spent yesterday practicing for my commercial checkride.

For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life. Meanwhile, we've
watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while
they jumped from the bridge and smacked their brains all over the rocks
below. Oregon is at, what, 20 drowning deaths this year since June 1?

-c

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:40:16 GMT, "gatt"
wrote:

For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life. Meanwhile, we've
watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while
they jumped from the bridge and smacked their brains all over the rocks
below. Oregon is at, what, 20 drowning deaths this year since June 1?

But they don't set fire to any houses when they go splat.

Is the crash site still identified as NE 58th? That's north of
Baseline, south of Cornell and a little west of 231st, essentially 1.5
miles off the approach end of 30. Just from a noise standpoint, that's
a dumb**** place to site housing.

Don