Logging time as a CFI

I have my CFI right now, and I'm flying with a CFII in preparation for
my CFII checkride. Do I log that time as Dual Received, as well as PIC,
or just PIC, or just Dual Received?

Are you getting or giving instruction? If you are getting instruction,
I think you should be able to log it the same way as a non-CFI getting
instruction - that is, as dual received, and (for the time you are sole
manipulator) as PIC.

While we're on the subject, how should I log my students? I have one
who has his private, and is just flying with me to build time for his
instrument rating. Should he log our time together as both PIC and
Dual, or just Dual?

If a student has their PPL, they can log PIC when they are sole
manipulator, and dual when they are receiving instruction. This often
overlaps.

I have always thought you either logged PIC or
Dual, never both; but lately I've noticed others doing both, so I
thought I'd just ask.

One can log both.

By the way, if it means anything, I instruct at a Part 141 school.

Now that I've shot my mouth off, I don't know if 141 makes a difference
here. My comments are my understanding of part 91. (or is it 93?)

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buttman wrote:
I have my CFI right now, and I'm flying with a CFII in preparation for
my CFII checkride. Do I log that time as Dual Received, as well as PIC,
or just PIC, or just Dual Received? Also, as a CFI should I be logging
the time I fly with my MEI for my multi rating as PIC, or is that
stretching it?

When you are receiving instruction, you log it as dual and also as PIC
for the portion during which you were the sole manipulator of the
controls. When receiving instructor training I suspect that the person
giving instruction will be flying most of the time emulating a student,
so you may not be able to log too much of that flight as PIC.

You can't log PIC time if you are not rated for the aircraft. Just
dual. So you can't log PIC-ME time if you don't already have an ME
rating.



While we're on the subject, how should I log my students? I have one
who has his private, and is just flying with me to build time for his
instrument rating. Should he log our time together as both PIC and
Dual, or just Dual? I have always thought you either logged PIC or
Dual, never both; but lately I've noticed others doing both, so I
thought I'd just ask.

You log PIC when giving instruction, and the student logs dual. The
student may also log PIC if he was the sole manipulator of the controls
(true most of the time) and also if he is rated for the aircraft (ASEL
etc..)


By the way, if it means anything, I instruct at a Part 141 school.

I don't think that makes any difference.

buttman wrote:
I have my CFI right now, and I'm flying with a CFII in preparation for
my CFII checkride. Do I log that time as Dual Received, as well as PIC,
or just PIC, or just Dual Received? Also, as a CFI should I be logging
the time I fly with my MEI for my multi rating as PIC, or is that
stretching it?

While we're on the subject, how should I log my students? I have one
who has his private, and is just flying with me to build time for his
instrument rating. Should he log our time together as both PIC and
Dual, or just Dual? I have always thought you either logged PIC or
Dual, never both; but lately I've noticed others doing both, so I
thought I'd just ask.

By the way, if it means anything, I instruct at a Part 141 school.

You realize, of course, that this is a popular oral exam question. :-)

On 3 Oct 2006 18:27:07 -0700, "buttman" wrote:

By the way, if it means anything, I instruct at a Part 141 school.

That explains it.

sheesh.
z