Crosswind rental limits?

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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A college buddy of mine might not have had a fatal solo if the FBO had,
and
enforced, a crosswind limit.

Did the instructor's solo endorsement impose such a limit?

--Gary

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"Gary Drescher" wrote:

A college buddy of mine might not have had a fatal solo if the FBO had,
and
enforced, a crosswind limit.

Did the instructor's solo endorsement impose such a limit?

I don't know - too long ago and it was 8 years before my first
lesson.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article om,
"nrp" wrote:

A relative is working on a PPL using a Diamond DA20. The FBO has a
policy of no student solos with more than 5 knots crosswind component.
Do other FBOs do this? As a result he is having trouble scheduling his
solo cross countries.

A college buddy of mine might not have had a fatal solo if the FBO had,
and
enforced, a crosswind limit.

I don't know any of the circumstances directly involved with this specific
accident, but just on the surface, I tend to lean heavily away from this
logic. Regardless of any crosswind restriction imposed by an FBO. its
incumbent on an instructor to determine the ability of a student to handle
the conditions present at the time of solo.
If this student was killed on solo, and if crosswind was a contributing
factor in the accident, I look directly at the instructor as being the
failed factor, not the FBO.
All this talk about regimentation and formal structure by FBO's relating to
conditions is all well and good, but it should never, and I repeat NEVER be
used in a context that replaces individual instructor responsibility.

Dudley Henriques

In article ,
"Dudley Henriques" wrote:

A college buddy of mine might not have had a fatal solo if the FBO had,
and
enforced, a crosswind limit.

I don't know any of the circumstances directly involved with this specific
accident, but just on the surface, I tend to lean heavily away from this
logic. Regardless of any crosswind restriction imposed by an FBO. its
incumbent on an instructor to determine the ability of a student to handle
the conditions present at the time of solo.
If this student was killed on solo, and if crosswind was a contributing
factor in the accident, I look directly at the instructor as being the
failed factor, not the FBO.
All this talk about regimentation and formal structure by FBO's relating to
conditions is all well and good, but it should never, and I repeat NEVER be
used in a context that replaces individual instructor responsibility.

Dudley Henriques

don't get me wrong. I did not mean to say that the FBO was the primary
cause or primary contributing factor to this accident. But the FBO could
have broken the chain.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Bob Noel wrote:
In article om,
"nrp" wrote:

A relative is working on a PPL using a Diamond DA20. The FBO has a
policy of no student solos with more than 5 knots crosswind component.
Do other FBOs do this? As a result he is having trouble scheduling his
solo cross countries.

A college buddy of mine might not have had a fatal solo if the FBO had, and
enforced, a crosswind limit.



Although crosswind accidents are not unusual, a fatal accident is rare.
It would be beneficial to learn from this accident. Do you have the
NTSB reference for this?

In article .com,
"Andrew Sarangan" wrote:

A college buddy of mine might not have had a fatal solo if the FBO had, and
enforced, a crosswind limit.

Although crosswind accidents are not unusual, a fatal accident is rare.
It would be beneficial to learn from this accident. Do you have the
NTSB reference for this?

no. I don't even remember the year exactly, some time around 1980.

and, fwiw, I know that the FBO was not the primary cause - the student
touched a snowbank beside the runway and attempted to go around,
stalled, and crashed. But I think it's fair to say that the high crosswind
(and possibly gusty winds) contributed to the accident.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Nrp,

The FBO has a
policy of no student solos with more than 5 knots crosswind component.
Do other FBOs do this? As a result he is having trouble scheduling his
solo cross countries.


5 knots is low, the tpye of limit not. How is the limit determined? By
forecast? Seems to me there's a ton of ways to fudge around it.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

nrp wrote:
A relative is working on a PPL using a Diamond DA20. The FBO has a
policy of no student solos with more than 5 knots crosswind component.
Do other FBOs do this?

Typically, your instructor sets crosswind limits. The student will
usually start out @ 5, and the instructor should gradually increase the
limit as the student nears the check ride.

I trained at a single runway field that almost always had crosswinds.
My original solo limit was 5 knots, it reached 10 for cross-countries,
then 15, then I took my ride. The airplanes I fly have typical max.
demonstrated crosswind components of 17-18 knots.

The instructor will typically set endorsed limits even if the student
owns the plane, as the instructor is also on the hook for student accidents.

nrp wrote:
A relative is working on a PPL using a Diamond DA20. The FBO has a
policy of no student solos with more than 5 knots crosswind component.
Do other FBOs do this? As a result he is having trouble scheduling his
solo cross countries.

We had a limit of 20 knots surface wind and 10 knots crosswind component,
at both origin and destination. That seemed reasonable to me.

.... Alan

--
Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
gerber AT panix DOT com

10 seems more common, do they have insurance issues?

nrp wrote:
A relative is working on a PPL using a Diamond DA20. The FBO has a
policy of no student solos with more than 5 knots crosswind component.
Do other FBOs do this? As a result he is having trouble scheduling his
solo cross countries.