Mxx Observation

Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
"Peter Duniho" writes:

[...] Frankly, I find this obsession with the guy unhealthy. If you
don't like him, then just ignore him. Threads *about* him are
nearly as annoying as he is himself, and just as useless. [...]

But Pete, what about threads about threads about him? They're the
worst.


But they can point out some interesting kinky quirks, like possibly
organizing your own fan club...
It's nice to know who you're actually talking to, is it not? Usenet is
ambiguous enough without someones alter ego having a discussion with
themselves...

"CRaSH" wrote in message
...
Now, what are the odds of nearly identical paths, newsreaders, etc.,
between two users, on two groups, talking to one another?? You decide!
(eBay would call it being a "shill" for a buyer)

At least he changed his timezone.

What I find interesting are the various reactions to this poster. The
bandwidth expended on this person is unbelievable.
My read on it is this FWIW;

This scenario is nothing new to Usenet. This type of thing has been going on
in Usenet for as long as I can remember.
Each person encountering someone like Mxsmanic has to make up their own mind
how and/or even if they want to interact with him (her or whatever).
Personally, I ran across this person on another newsgroup and formed an
opinion after a few exchanges that led to a decision simply to not post to
him/her/whatever.
On Usenet, you make these decisions right or wrong based on what is
exchanged between you and another poster and how the exchange goes between
you and that poster. Mutual respect and mutual common courtesy are easy
enough to recognize both if present or absent, and if you believe these
things are missing, you just disengage.
Sometimes this poses a secondary decision if the poster you wish to
disengage with reposts again to you. The process is simple really. You judge
these things and make these decisions on a constant basis on Usenet.
In this specific case, involving this poster, I simply feel there is nothing
to be gained from any interaction between the two of us. I don't hate this
poster, nor do I even dislike this poster. I simply have made a calculated
decision based on my initial exchanges with him/her/whatever, that nothing
of value would result from further exchange.
Far be it from me to advise others how to deal with these things, but it
seems fairly clear to me that much might be gained for the group at large by
those heatedly engaged with both this poster and each other, if they would
simply pass on his postings instead of engaging them.
There will always be those who for their own reasons, will engage a poster
like this one. Perhaps they find worth in the posts being made. Perhaps they
feel the need themselves to engage....who knows really?
It's no crime for this poster to post on Usenet on any group with any
question or comment. Usenet is a free form of human discourse and as such
attracts all kinds of posters. As individuals, we'll like some of these
people, and some of them will just rub us the wrong way.
In the end, it's not the individual poster who runs down a newsgroup. It's
really the responders who accomplish both the good and the bad on a
newsgroup. The unwanted poster has a natural right to remain and be as
nasty, unfriendly, stupid, moronic, idiotic, pedantic, or as friendly,
knowledgeable, and respectful as he/she/whatever wants to be within the
confines of the newsgroup charter. It's up to the responders to control
these "situations". In the end analysis, if it's as bad as this one seems to
be, those wishing to avoid this poster should just do so and those wishing
to engage this poster should by all means be allowed to do so without
written penalty from the group.
As I said, personally, I fall into the category of one who has chosen to
avoid this particular poster. I surely wouldn't want to push this decision
on others, so I simply pass on the situation unless I have something
specific I want to say that's basically non-threatening, as I have done
here. I feel no need to "plonk" the poster either. In fact, as I have said
in the past, I find the entire situation quite humorous at times. :-)
Dudley Henriques

"Al G" wrote in message
...

Reading MXx's responses to our answers, ****ed me off a bit, and I
began to wonder why.

Somewhere I got the idea that if I didn't know something, and asked
someone who did, I might actually profit from respectfully listening to
their answer. While I might have some further questions, my original
ignorance pretty much precludes my disregarding the answer all together,
and/or telling the person I first asked, that he doesn't know ****. This
became more pronounced after I scared the crap out of myself a couple of
times.

Although Pilots in general are a pretty confident lot, they are aware
that they can get seriously killed doing this, and are actually pretty
humble in the face of "New Knowledge" or "Mother Nature". They generally
treat someone who has "Been there, Done that, and survived" with a little
respect. None of this applies to Mx...... He has no actual experience, has
never been scared, and has acquired no humility. Were I his instructor, he
would be my number 1 pick to go bump in the night. Since my students and I
fly actual aircraft in a real world, normally this is a self solving
situation. Natural selection seems to work, and when I am faced with a
trainee that has become "a legend in his own mind", I don't normally have
to listen to his crap for very long.

I used to wonder where the French came by the stereotype of Arrogant,
Ignorant, Self righteous, Pompous, frogs. With these exchanges, I have
accepted the "New Knowledge" offered, and I no longer wonder. What an
ambassador.

Al G

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in
news
In the end, it's not the individual poster
who runs down a newsgroup. It's really the responders who accomplish
both the good and the bad on a newsgroup.

What Dudley says above is the bottom line.

Ignore the person, don't respond and he will go away.

Trolls hate not getting attention.

Was quiet for awhile on rec.aviation.student.

If one feels the need to reply to him, simply reply by email. Or at least
trim the cross posting so he doesn't pollute every newsgroup.

WE CAN GET BACK OUR NEWSGROUPS!!!!

Allen

You're right, of course, Dudley. I particularly liked Jay's comment, "That
pig will learn to sing yet."

Al G


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news
What I find interesting are the various reactions to this poster. The
bandwidth expended on this person is unbelievable.
My read on it is this FWIW;

This scenario is nothing new to Usenet. This type of thing has been going
on in Usenet for as long as I can remember.
Each person encountering someone like Mxsmanic has to make up their own
mind how and/or even if they want to interact with him (her or whatever).
Personally, I ran across this person on another newsgroup and formed an
opinion after a few exchanges that led to a decision simply to not post to
him/her/whatever.
On Usenet, you make these decisions right or wrong based on what is
exchanged between you and another poster and how the exchange goes between
you and that poster. Mutual respect and mutual common courtesy are easy
enough to recognize both if present or absent, and if you believe these
things are missing, you just disengage.
Sometimes this poses a secondary decision if the poster you wish to
disengage with reposts again to you. The process is simple really. You
judge these things and make these decisions on a constant basis on Usenet.
In this specific case, involving this poster, I simply feel there is
nothing to be gained from any interaction between the two of us. I don't
hate this poster, nor do I even dislike this poster. I simply have made a
calculated decision based on my initial exchanges with him/her/whatever,
that nothing of value would result from further exchange.
Far be it from me to advise others how to deal with these things, but it
seems fairly clear to me that much might be gained for the group at large
by those heatedly engaged with both this poster and each other, if they
would simply pass on his postings instead of engaging them.
There will always be those who for their own reasons, will engage a poster
like this one. Perhaps they find worth in the posts being made. Perhaps
they feel the need themselves to engage....who knows really?
It's no crime for this poster to post on Usenet on any group with any
question or comment. Usenet is a free form of human discourse and as such
attracts all kinds of posters. As individuals, we'll like some of these
people, and some of them will just rub us the wrong way.
In the end, it's not the individual poster who runs down a newsgroup. It's
really the responders who accomplish both the good and the bad on a
newsgroup. The unwanted poster has a natural right to remain and be as
nasty, unfriendly, stupid, moronic, idiotic, pedantic, or as friendly,
knowledgeable, and respectful as he/she/whatever wants to be within the
confines of the newsgroup charter. It's up to the responders to control
these "situations". In the end analysis, if it's as bad as this one seems
to be, those wishing to avoid this poster should just do so and those
wishing to engage this poster should by all means be allowed to do so
without written penalty from the group.
As I said, personally, I fall into the category of one who has chosen to
avoid this particular poster. I surely wouldn't want to push this decision
on others, so I simply pass on the situation unless I have something
specific I want to say that's basically non-threatening, as I have done
here. I feel no need to "plonk" the poster either. In fact, as I have said
in the past, I find the entire situation quite humorous at times. :-)
Dudley Henriques

"Al G" wrote in message
...

Reading MXx's responses to our answers, ****ed me off a bit, and I
began to wonder why.

Somewhere I got the idea that if I didn't know something, and asked
someone who did, I might actually profit from respectfully listening to
their answer. While I might have some further questions, my original
ignorance pretty much precludes my disregarding the answer all together,
and/or telling the person I first asked, that he doesn't know ****. This
became more pronounced after I scared the crap out of myself a couple of
times.

Although Pilots in general are a pretty confident lot, they are aware
that they can get seriously killed doing this, and are actually pretty
humble in the face of "New Knowledge" or "Mother Nature". They generally
treat someone who has "Been there, Done that, and survived" with a little
respect. None of this applies to Mx...... He has no actual experience,
has never been scared, and has acquired no humility. Were I his
instructor, he would be my number 1 pick to go bump in the night. Since
my students and I fly actual aircraft in a real world, normally this is a
self solving situation. Natural selection seems to work, and when I am
faced with a trainee that has become "a legend in his own mind", I don't
normally have to listen to his crap for very long.

I used to wonder where the French came by the stereotype of Arrogant,
Ignorant, Self righteous, Pompous, frogs. With these exchanges, I have
accepted the "New Knowledge" offered, and I no longer wonder. What an
ambassador.

Al G

Sort of like the old axiom that says;
"If you sit a chimp down in front of a typewriter and let him bang away,
sooner or later if he dosen't run out of food he'll manage to write War and
Peace :-)
Dudley Henriques

"Al G" wrote in message
...
You're right, of course, Dudley. I particularly liked Jay's comment, "That
pig will learn to sing yet."

Al G


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news
What I find interesting are the various reactions to this poster. The
bandwidth expended on this person is unbelievable.
My read on it is this FWIW;

This scenario is nothing new to Usenet. This type of thing has been going
on in Usenet for as long as I can remember.
Each person encountering someone like Mxsmanic has to make up their own
mind how and/or even if they want to interact with him (her or whatever).
Personally, I ran across this person on another newsgroup and formed an
opinion after a few exchanges that led to a decision simply to not post
to him/her/whatever.
On Usenet, you make these decisions right or wrong based on what is
exchanged between you and another poster and how the exchange goes
between you and that poster. Mutual respect and mutual common courtesy
are easy enough to recognize both if present or absent, and if you
believe these things are missing, you just disengage.
Sometimes this poses a secondary decision if the poster you wish to
disengage with reposts again to you. The process is simple really. You
judge these things and make these decisions on a constant basis on
Usenet.
In this specific case, involving this poster, I simply feel there is
nothing to be gained from any interaction between the two of us. I don't
hate this poster, nor do I even dislike this poster. I simply have made a
calculated decision based on my initial exchanges with him/her/whatever,
that nothing of value would result from further exchange.
Far be it from me to advise others how to deal with these things, but it
seems fairly clear to me that much might be gained for the group at large
by those heatedly engaged with both this poster and each other, if they
would simply pass on his postings instead of engaging them.
There will always be those who for their own reasons, will engage a
poster like this one. Perhaps they find worth in the posts being made.
Perhaps they feel the need themselves to engage....who knows really?
It's no crime for this poster to post on Usenet on any group with any
question or comment. Usenet is a free form of human discourse and as such
attracts all kinds of posters. As individuals, we'll like some of these
people, and some of them will just rub us the wrong way.
In the end, it's not the individual poster who runs down a newsgroup.
It's really the responders who accomplish both the good and the bad on a
newsgroup. The unwanted poster has a natural right to remain and be as
nasty, unfriendly, stupid, moronic, idiotic, pedantic, or as friendly,
knowledgeable, and respectful as he/she/whatever wants to be within the
confines of the newsgroup charter. It's up to the responders to control
these "situations". In the end analysis, if it's as bad as this one seems
to be, those wishing to avoid this poster should just do so and those
wishing to engage this poster should by all means be allowed to do so
without written penalty from the group.
As I said, personally, I fall into the category of one who has chosen to
avoid this particular poster. I surely wouldn't want to push this
decision on others, so I simply pass on the situation unless I have
something specific I want to say that's basically non-threatening, as I
have done here. I feel no need to "plonk" the poster either. In fact, as
I have said in the past, I find the entire situation quite humorous at
times. :-)
Dudley Henriques

"Al G" wrote in message
...

Reading MXx's responses to our answers, ****ed me off a bit, and I
began to wonder why.

Somewhere I got the idea that if I didn't know something, and asked
someone who did, I might actually profit from respectfully listening to
their answer. While I might have some further questions, my original
ignorance pretty much precludes my disregarding the answer all together,
and/or telling the person I first asked, that he doesn't know ****. This
became more pronounced after I scared the crap out of myself a couple of
times.

Although Pilots in general are a pretty confident lot, they are aware
that they can get seriously killed doing this, and are actually pretty
humble in the face of "New Knowledge" or "Mother Nature". They generally
treat someone who has "Been there, Done that, and survived" with a
little respect. None of this applies to Mx...... He has no actual
experience, has never been scared, and has acquired no humility. Were I
his instructor, he would be my number 1 pick to go bump in the night.
Since my students and I fly actual aircraft in a real world, normally
this is a self solving situation. Natural selection seems to work, and
when I am faced with a trainee that has become "a legend in his own
mind", I don't normally have to listen to his crap for very long.

I used to wonder where the French came by the stereotype of Arrogant,
Ignorant, Self righteous, Pompous, frogs. With these exchanges, I have
accepted the "New Knowledge" offered, and I no longer wonder. What an
ambassador.

Al G

On 12/07/06 08:59, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Sort of like the old axiom that says;
"If you sit a chimp down in front of a typewriter and let him bang away,
sooner or later if he dosen't run out of food he'll manage to write War and
Peace :-)
Dudley Henriques

This assumes, of course, that the chimp doesn't have any particular reason
*not* to write War and Peace ;-)


"Al G" wrote in message
...
You're right, of course, Dudley. I particularly liked Jay's comment, "That
pig will learn to sing yet."

Al G

Oh NO!!! A psyche major!!!!!
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
...
On 12/07/06 08:59, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Sort of like the old axiom that says;
"If you sit a chimp down in front of a typewriter and let him bang away,
sooner or later if he dosen't run out of food he'll manage to write War
and
Peace :-)
Dudley Henriques

This assumes, of course, that the chimp doesn't have any particular reason
*not* to write War and Peace ;-)


"Al G" wrote in message
...
You're right, of course, Dudley. I particularly liked Jay's comment,
"That
pig will learn to sing yet."

Al G

We used to call that the "infinite monkey theorem", which has since been
diproved by the internet.

Al G


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
Sort of like the old axiom that says;
"If you sit a chimp down in front of a typewriter and let him bang away,
sooner or later if he dosen't run out of food he'll manage to write War
and Peace :-)
Dudley Henriques

"Al G" wrote in message
...
You're right, of course, Dudley. I particularly liked Jay's comment,
"That pig will learn to sing yet."

Al G


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news
What I find interesting are the various reactions to this poster. The
bandwidth expended on this person is unbelievable.
My read on it is this FWIW;

This scenario is nothing new to Usenet. This type of thing has been
going on in Usenet for as long as I can remember.
Each person encountering someone like Mxsmanic has to make up their own
mind how and/or even if they want to interact with him (her or
whatever).
Personally, I ran across this person on another newsgroup and formed an
opinion after a few exchanges that led to a decision simply to not post
to him/her/whatever.
On Usenet, you make these decisions right or wrong based on what is
exchanged between you and another poster and how the exchange goes
between you and that poster. Mutual respect and mutual common courtesy
are easy enough to recognize both if present or absent, and if you
believe these things are missing, you just disengage.
Sometimes this poses a secondary decision if the poster you wish to
disengage with reposts again to you. The process is simple really. You
judge these things and make these decisions on a constant basis on
Usenet.
In this specific case, involving this poster, I simply feel there is
nothing to be gained from any interaction between the two of us. I don't
hate this poster, nor do I even dislike this poster. I simply have made
a calculated decision based on my initial exchanges with
him/her/whatever, that nothing of value would result from further
exchange.
Far be it from me to advise others how to deal with these things, but it
seems fairly clear to me that much might be gained for the group at
large by those heatedly engaged with both this poster and each other, if
they would simply pass on his postings instead of engaging them.
There will always be those who for their own reasons, will engage a
poster like this one. Perhaps they find worth in the posts being made.
Perhaps they feel the need themselves to engage....who knows really?
It's no crime for this poster to post on Usenet on any group with any
question or comment. Usenet is a free form of human discourse and as
such attracts all kinds of posters. As individuals, we'll like some of
these people, and some of them will just rub us the wrong way.
In the end, it's not the individual poster who runs down a newsgroup.
It's really the responders who accomplish both the good and the bad on a
newsgroup. The unwanted poster has a natural right to remain and be as
nasty, unfriendly, stupid, moronic, idiotic, pedantic, or as friendly,
knowledgeable, and respectful as he/she/whatever wants to be within the
confines of the newsgroup charter. It's up to the responders to control
these "situations". In the end analysis, if it's as bad as this one
seems to be, those wishing to avoid this poster should just do so and
those wishing to engage this poster should by all means be allowed to do
so without written penalty from the group.
As I said, personally, I fall into the category of one who has chosen to
avoid this particular poster. I surely wouldn't want to push this
decision on others, so I simply pass on the situation unless I have
something specific I want to say that's basically non-threatening, as I
have done here. I feel no need to "plonk" the poster either. In fact, as
I have said in the past, I find the entire situation quite humorous at
times. :-)
Dudley Henriques

"Al G" wrote in message
...

Reading MXx's responses to our answers, ****ed me off a bit, and I
began to wonder why.

Somewhere I got the idea that if I didn't know something, and
asked someone who did, I might actually profit from respectfully
listening to their answer. While I might have some further questions,
my original ignorance pretty much precludes my disregarding the answer
all together, and/or telling the person I first asked, that he doesn't
know ****. This became more pronounced after I scared the crap out of
myself a couple of times.

Although Pilots in general are a pretty confident lot, they are
aware that they can get seriously killed doing this, and are actually
pretty humble in the face of "New Knowledge" or "Mother Nature". They
generally treat someone who has "Been there, Done that, and survived"
with a little respect. None of this applies to Mx...... He has no
actual experience, has never been scared, and has acquired no humility.
Were I his instructor, he would be my number 1 pick to go bump in the
night. Since my students and I fly actual aircraft in a real world,
normally this is a self solving situation. Natural selection seems to
work, and when I am faced with a trainee that has become "a legend in
his own mind", I don't normally have to listen to his crap for very
long.

I used to wonder where the French came by the stereotype of
Arrogant, Ignorant, Self righteous, Pompous, frogs. With these
exchanges, I have accepted the "New Knowledge" offered, and I no longer
wonder. What an ambassador.

Al G

Al G wrote:
We used to call that the "infinite monkey theorem", which has since been
diproved by the internet.

Sometimes I'll add in a quote if it moved me at the time. Found this
one in the archive:

"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
keyboards could produce the Complete Works
of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet,
we know this is not true."
--Robert Wilensky, University of California

Al G