Married Couples and CRM (followon to Courious Crash)

Didn't AOPA have an article about this in the past 6 months or so?
Written by the Kings, mostly by him, explaining what foolish things
they (he) did in the past and how they now approach the issue.

Yes, in the September 2006 issue.

Peter

Blanche wrote:
Didn't AOPA have an article about this in the past 6 months or so?
Written by the Kings, mostly by him, explaining what foolish things
they (he) did in the past and how they now approach the issue.

I attended a lecture by the Kings, where Martha had to go to the
bathroom and there was a sandstorm below and John refused. He
told her to use the sick sack. She handed it to him afterwards
and said "by the way, it leaks." John then tried to push it out
the Cherokee "clear prop" window. He says, at times like that
words fail you. The word he didn't use was Urine.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Blanche wrote:
Didn't AOPA have an article about this in the past 6 months or so?
Written by the Kings, mostly by him, explaining what foolish things
they (he) did in the past and how they now approach the issue.

I attended a lecture by the Kings, where Martha had to go to the
bathroom and there was a sandstorm below and John refused. He
told her to use the sick sack. She handed it to him afterwards
and said "by the way, it leaks." John then tried to push it out
the Cherokee "clear prop" window. He says, at times like that
words fail you. The word he didn't use was Urine.

Sandstorm, eh. John made the correct decision! LOL

Peter

"john smith" wrote in message
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What I am trying to understand is, how a husband and wife, both pilots,
would not challenge their spouse's decision to press a situation which
might lead to an uncertain outcome?

(Taking this thread into a new direction)
Ron and Margie, Jay and Mary, and the Tcraft couple are the only married
couples who use this forum that I am aware of.
Maybe there is a new thread, do spouses that fly together use a challenge
and response type of CRM when they fly together?
What type of resolution do they use?
If either one or the other expresses a concern, do they land and sort it
out?
Does one or the other have overriding veto?

As much as I personally dislike agreeing with Mxsmanic, his post in the
thread is exactly right.

This having been said, if ATC was screaming at me to turn left immediately
to avoid a 747 that I could actually see 500 yards directly ahead of me on a
collision course at co altitude and my wife sitting next to me who is non
rated told me at the exact same instant to continue flying straight on, by
the time common sense and a deep primal fear (both associated with the
ramifications of increased yard work that would most certainly be the result
if I ignored my wife) passed through my thought process, we would have hit
the 747 and the point of the initial poster's question would then be moot.
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"john smith" wrote in message
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What I am trying to understand is, how a husband and wife, both pilots,
would not challenge their spouse's decision to press a situation which
might lead to an uncertain outcome?

(Taking this thread into a new direction)
Ron and Margie, Jay and Mary, and the Tcraft couple are the only married
couples who use this forum that I am aware of.
Maybe there is a new thread, do spouses that fly together use a challenge
and response type of CRM when they fly together?
What type of resolution do they use?
If either one or the other expresses a concern, do they land and sort it
out?
Does one or the other have overriding veto?

As much as I personally dislike agreeing with Mxsmanic, his post in the
thread is exactly right.

This having been said, if ATC was screaming at me to turn left immediately
to avoid a 747 that I could actually see 500 yards directly ahead of me on
a collision course at co altitude and my wife sitting next to me who is
non rated told me at the exact same instant to continue flying straight
on, by the time common sense and a deep primal fear (both associated with
the ramifications of increased yard work that would most certainly be the
result if I ignored my wife) passed through my thought process, we would
have hit the 747 and the point of the initial poster's question would then
be moot.
Dudley Henriques


So sayeth someone who OBVIOUSLY has been married to the same woman for MANY
years. :-)))))

Paul (who just celebrated his 50th anniversary with his bride in
September) --It took me about 30 seconds after I said "I do" to learn to say
"Yes Dear"!! Some lessons you never forget--thankfully!!! ))))

"Paul Riley" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"john smith" wrote in message
...
What I am trying to understand is, how a husband and wife, both pilots,
would not challenge their spouse's decision to press a situation which
might lead to an uncertain outcome?

(Taking this thread into a new direction)
Ron and Margie, Jay and Mary, and the Tcraft couple are the only married
couples who use this forum that I am aware of.
Maybe there is a new thread, do spouses that fly together use a
challenge and response type of CRM when they fly together?
What type of resolution do they use?
If either one or the other expresses a concern, do they land and sort it
out?
Does one or the other have overriding veto?

As much as I personally dislike agreeing with Mxsmanic, his post in the
thread is exactly right.

This having been said, if ATC was screaming at me to turn left
immediately to avoid a 747 that I could actually see 500 yards directly
ahead of me on a collision course at co altitude and my wife sitting next
to me who is non rated told me at the exact same instant to continue
flying straight on, by the time common sense and a deep primal fear (both
associated with the ramifications of increased yard work that would most
certainly be the result if I ignored my wife) passed through my thought
process, we would have hit the 747 and the point of the initial poster's
question would then be moot.
Dudley Henriques


So sayeth someone who OBVIOUSLY has been married to the same woman for
MANY years. :-)))))

Paul (who just celebrated his 50th anniversary with his bride in
September) --It took me about 30 seconds after I said "I do" to learn to
say "Yes Dear"!! Some lessons you never forget--thankfully!!! ))))


What I forgot to add was that my normal reactions would have already have me
in a steep bank avoiding the oncoming aircraft well before my bride's
comments reached my ears!! I suspect the same is true for Dudley!! :-))) In
which case, the discussion would continue!!! Followed by the "Yes Dear"
comment. :-)))))

Paul

"Paul Riley" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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This having been said, if ATC was screaming at me to turn left
immediately to avoid a 747 that I could actually see 500 yards directly
ahead of me on a collision course at co altitude and my wife sitting next
to me who is non rated told me at the exact same instant to continue
flying straight on, by the time common sense and a deep primal fear (both
associated with the ramifications of increased yard work that would most
certainly be the result if I ignored my wife) passed through my thought
process, we would have hit the 747 and the point of the initial poster's
question would then be moot.
Dudley Henriques


So sayeth someone who OBVIOUSLY has been married to the same woman for
MANY years. :-)))))

Paul (who just celebrated his 50th anniversary with his bride in
September) --It took me about 30 seconds after I said "I do" to learn to
say "Yes Dear"!! Some lessons you never forget--thankfully!!! ))))

40 years actually :-))

You are absolutely right. I learned early on that the best way to get in the
last two words with my wife was to say "yes dear"
:-)
DH

Dudley Henriques wrote:
"Paul Riley" wrote in message

Paul (who just celebrated his 50th anniversary with his bride in
September) --It took me about 30 seconds after I said "I do" to learn to
say "Yes Dear"!! Some lessons you never forget--thankfully!!! ))))

40 years actually :-))

You are absolutely right. I learned early on that the best way to get in the
last two words with my wife was to say "yes dear"
:-)
DH

Okay, just 35 years for me. I'm a young'un.

One advantage of living in Montana: yard work only lasts for about two
weeks every year.

I won't talk about the snow shoveling, though. :)

After years of flying with me, my wife has become a master of subtlety.
On short final: "Hon, why are those lights on the side of the runway
all red? OH, I see, you're trying to avoid that hawk that's soaring two
thousand feet above us. You are SO clever!".

It's similar to, "Hon, I let the cat out and I watched her disappear in
the snow somewhere on the driveway. Will you go dig her out? Please?"

I hate it when she does that. :)

--Walt

"Walt" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
"Paul Riley" wrote in message

Paul (who just celebrated his 50th anniversary with his bride in
September) --It took me about 30 seconds after I said "I do" to learn
to
say "Yes Dear"!! Some lessons you never forget--thankfully!!! ))))

40 years actually :-))

You are absolutely right. I learned early on that the best way to get in
the
last two words with my wife was to say "yes dear"
:-)
DH

Okay, just 35 years for me. I'm a young'un.

One advantage of living in Montana: yard work only lasts for about two
weeks every year.

I won't talk about the snow shoveling, though. :)

After years of flying with me, my wife has become a master of subtlety.
On short final: "Hon, why are those lights on the side of the runway
all red? OH, I see, you're trying to avoid that hawk that's soaring two
thousand feet above us. You are SO clever!".

It's similar to, "Hon, I let the cat out and I watched her disappear in
the snow somewhere on the driveway. Will you go dig her out? Please?"

I hate it when she does that. :)

--Walt

I think the girls must attend some kind of educational course somewhere
along the way that prepares them for married life .
Mine seems to have graduated from the "ambiguity school". She'll be giving
me directions helping me find someplace we are going then suddenly get
silent as I start into an intersection at cruise speed. She'll suddenly
scream, "Turn left, right here!!!"
I'm on to this however after 40 odd years and now anticipate this brain
twister by mentally reversing as she screams at me and this ultimately
causes me to make the right decision.
I'm not absolutely certain mind you, but I'm fairly sure that men married
for years who have developed this ability qualify at least past the first
interview for Astronaut training at NASA!! :-)))
Dudley Henriques

Being a married man, you of course considered your wife's punishment first.
Is this a case of the known verses the possible outcome?
Would this be a fate worse than death? :-))

Dudley Henriques wrote:

"john smith" wrote in message
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What I am trying to understand is, how a husband and wife, both pilots,
would not challenge their spouse's decision to press a situation which
might lead to an uncertain outcome?

(Taking this thread into a new direction)
Ron and Margie, Jay and Mary, and the Tcraft couple are the only married
couples who use this forum that I am aware of.
Maybe there is a new thread, do spouses that fly together use a challenge
and response type of CRM when they fly together?
What type of resolution do they use?
If either one or the other expresses a concern, do they land and sort it
out?
Does one or the other have overriding veto?



As much as I personally dislike agreeing with Mxsmanic, his post in the
thread is exactly right.

This having been said, if ATC was screaming at me to turn left immediately
to avoid a 747 that I could actually see 500 yards directly ahead of me on a
collision course at co altitude and my wife sitting next to me who is non
rated told me at the exact same instant to continue flying straight on, by
the time common sense and a deep primal fear (both associated with the
ramifications of increased yard work that would most certainly be the result
if I ignored my wife) passed through my thought process, we would have hit
the 747 and the point of the initial poster's question would then be moot.
Dudley Henriques