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#1
August 25th 03, 02:35 AM
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Newer is not necessarily better.
As far as handling goes, I am fully convinced the rapid roll rate of the Grumman saved my butt one day last summer at an uncontrolled field in an "encounter" with a very aerobatic NORDO Pitts in a very very unstandard pattern. "Satellite" wrote in message m... I don't get into an older than 20 year plane! And what are you telling me here? Are you trying to do some loops and steep turns? Any plane racing in your future? Handling better - for what? Newer is better - PERIOD. "Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message .net... Fly a Tiger and then come back and tell me it handles like a Cessna. 
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#2
September 10th 03, 02:24 PM
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I couldn't tell if you were trolling or just stunningly misinformed
and inexperienced. Seeing in another post that you have 110 hours, I'm going to assume the latter. Your statement abot 'newer is better - period' is just plain silly. I can show you a late 60s Cessna 182 at my home airport that will put any new 182 to shame. 100 hour engine, beautiful paint, great avionics, stunning leather interior. All for less than 1/2 the cost of a similarly equipped 'new' 182. The owner bought a 'normal' 182 (with shaky P&I) and had it fixed up *exactly* the way he wanted it. Since he paid a fraction of the cost of new, he could afford to have it done his way. Ask any A&P (or even any pilot with more than 110 hours) and ask them how important airframe age is. They'll tell you 'not very'. A properly maintained non-pressurized small plane can fly indefinitely...go do some research in the NTSB database, you will find *very* few accidents relating to airframe age. I'd take this 'old' Cessna over a new 182 any day. What exactly can you do with a new 182 that I couldn't do with this older one, that cost less than 1/2 the price? Hull insurance is lower, so I save money on an ongoing basis. On a common, simple plane like a 182 (or even a not-so common plane like my 1963 Beech Musketeer) maintenence and parts are not significantly greater in cost than for a much newer plane. Bournelli's law applies equally to 1963 and 2003 airplanes, so they both can get the job of flying done. So what? What *exactly* makes the 2003 plane better? Cap "Satellite" wrote in message om... I don't get into an older than 20 year plane! And what are you telling me here? Are you trying to do some loops and steep turns? Any plane racing in your future? Handling better - for what? Newer is better - PERIOD. "Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message .net... Fly a Tiger and then come back and tell me it handles like a Cessna. "Satellite" wrote in message om... Sorry for my comment, but can't hold back: How do you come up with a ridiculous price like that. Your plane is an old pile of junk. Compare it to a 1997 to 1999 Cessna 172! They are available from $75000 and up... Look for yourself www.aso.com And you get recent avionics, lower time, nice paint, nice interior, lower insurance, ad a new engine and you are set... Your plane... $76000...Ha, what a joke... "Flynn" wrote in message news:YpN1b.235442$o%2.106915@sccrnsc02... Well I've taken the new plane plunge and put a deposit down on a new SR22 for delivery in late Sept. My wife says I can't have 2 airplanes so the Tiger's for sale. Latest info is at http://www.ipilot.com/classifieds/ad...&cid=-1&fuid=0 I'm going to take some new pic's today and post them there. Contact info if interested is also at the above site. Patrick Flynn Sammamish, WA 79 Tiger N4543A KRNT
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#3
August 25th 03, 03:45 PM
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Satellite wrote: Sorry for my comment, but can't hold back: You seem to be doing real well with that lure. What sort of trolling motor are you using? George Patterson Brute force has an elegance all its own.
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#4
August 26th 03, 03:00 AM
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Satellite wrote: Sorry for my comment, but can't hold back: You seem to be doing real well with that lure. What sort of trolling motor are you using? George Patterson Brute force has an elegance all its own. Remember, he ain't fum nowheres aroun' hyear..... Satellite the Troll admitted in an earlier post that: "I was an aircraft mechanic and helicopter mechanic in the German Army " Wonder what kind of visa he's here on....because Satellite the Troll admitted in an earlier post that: "I fly in Florida..." Makes ya wanna go "Hmmmmmmm".
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#5
August 26th 03, 05:29 AM
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G.R. Patterson, what do you want from me?
Admitting that I was in the German army? I thing it's more a statement of public service! (Admitting sounds like I am guilty of something.) Ok, I am guilty - I served; did you? And I live in Florida for 14 years now you troll. And I am a dual citizen - do you have problem with that? Give it a rest. You can't concentrate on the facts anyways. Fly your old junker and be happy... "RDA" wrote in message et... "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Satellite wrote: Sorry for my comment, but can't hold back: You seem to be doing real well with that lure. What sort of trolling motor are you using? George Patterson Brute force has an elegance all its own. Remember, he ain't fum nowheres aroun' hyear..... Satellite the Troll admitted in an earlier post that: "I was an aircraft mechanic and helicopter mechanic in the German Army " Wonder what kind of visa he's here on....because Satellite the Troll admitted in an earlier post that: "I fly in Florida..." Makes ya wanna go "Hmmmmmmm".
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#6
August 26th 03, 01:51 PM
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"Satellite" wrote
snip Give it a rest. You can't concentrate on the facts anyways. Fly your old junker and be happy... Speaking of old junkers... http://xcski.com/gallery/osh_prop_warbirds/112_ju52_1 -- Montblack
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#7
August 26th 03, 02:56 PM
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Satellite wrote: G.R. Patterson, what do you want from me? Well, for starters, I'd prefer that you only attribute things to me which I actually said. George Patterson Brute force has an elegance all its own.
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#8
August 27th 03, 01:46 AM
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Sorry for feeding the trolls..
BUT I WILL TAKE A TIGER ANY DAY over a 172.. even a NEW one.. And Ive got enough time in both types to make that decision. Dave PPSEL Satellite wrote: Sorry for my comment, but can't hold back: How do you come up with a ridiculous price like that. Your plane is an old pile of junk. Compare it to a 1997 to 1999 Cessna 172! They are available from $75000 and up... Look for yourself www.aso.com And you get recent avionics, lower time, nice paint, nice interior, lower insurance, ad a new engine and you are set... Your plane... $76000...Ha, what a joke... "Flynn" wrote in message news:YpN1b.235442$o%2.106915@sccrnsc02... Well I've taken the new plane plunge and put a deposit down on a new SR22 for delivery in late Sept. My wife says I can't have 2 airplanes so the Tiger's for sale. Latest info is at http://www.ipilot.com/classifieds/ad...&cid=-1&fuid=0 I'm going to take some new pic's today and post them there. Contact info if interested is also at the above site. Patrick Flynn Sammamish, WA 79 Tiger N4543A KRNT
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#9
August 27th 03, 12:47 PM
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What planet is this guy from?
Lower insurance? With what underwriter? I want quotes! What hull coverage? $1M smooth? Bull****. And take a look at the AD list for the "New Cessnas", and compare that to the AD list for an "old piece of **** Tiger" whilst you are at it. Newer is better? Ask some of the Cirrus owners that have had more time in warrantee repair than hours in the air. Come to think of it, has this guy EVER been to OSH or Sun-n-Fun? I have seen more beautiful restored "pieces of ****" than some of the "Newer is better" models. Interior restoration is cheap. Not sure why you would pay a premium for that... I can get Comforfoam for $16/sheet and get new covers from Airtex for a few hundred bucks that look and feel beauiful. A monkey could restore an interior. Oh yeah, that's right, this guy is from Europe (didn't we have to bail them out TWICE, three times if you count the Cold War???) I have seen "Newer is Better" with very run out and abused motors that are just not worth the cash. I for one am not convinced "Newer is Better". And NO ONE knows how the Centurian or SMA turbodiesels will work out. What if we find the TBO is only 1000 hours? The Centurian is "disposable", i.e. NOT overhaulable. The SMA is ridiculously expensive (I thought French industry was subsidized by the socialist governments over there?) Sounds like another piece of Eurotrash that moved across the pond where the "grass is greener". Seen many of this ilk in EUCOM. Why move to the States if they are so much smarter and better than us old hot-rodders fixin' up "pieces of ****"??? Mark "Piece of **** Driver" Mueller Tiger N1533R "Satellite" wrote in message om... Sorry for my comment, but can't hold back: How do you come up with a ridiculous price like that. Your plane is an old pile of junk. Compare it to a 1997 to 1999 Cessna 172! They are available from $75000 and up... Look for yourself www.aso.com And you get recent avionics, lower time, nice paint, nice interior, lower insurance, ad a new engine and you are set... Your plane... $76000...Ha, what a joke... "Flynn" wrote in message news:YpN1b.235442$o%2.106915@sccrnsc02... Well I've taken the new plane plunge and put a deposit down on a new SR22 for delivery in late Sept. My wife says I can't have 2 airplanes so the Tiger's for sale. Latest info is at http://www.ipilot.com/classifieds/ad...&cid=-1&fuid=0 I'm going to take some new pic's today and post them there. Contact info if interested is also at the above site. Patrick Flynn Sammamish, WA 79 Tiger N4543A KRNT
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