Anyone dissapointed with Oshgosh?

I feel sorry for you. You are either unable or unwilling to look beyond the
superficial aspects of AirVenture and look for those items which you are
interested in.

Don't. I don't feel like I'm missing anything and I've managed to find other
sources of information to feed my homebuilding desires. It's just kind of sad
that Airventure isn't the airplane builders "overload" that Oshkosh was. It was
nice after a week to go home exhausted from "too many homebuilts, too little
time". The forums are still great but as for the homebuilts, sure there are
lots of them there, but without the owners around to talk to or being able to
get close you might as well look at the pretty pictures in SA.

Now, either deal with the change or isolate yourself in the
past.

I'm the last person to object to change - but only change for the better. I
don't think Airventure is as good as Oshkosh. One way of dealing with change
that you don't like is to let those in charge know that you don't like it - and
why. If they choose not to alter their way of doing things so be it. Let them
keep loosing money.

He couldn't keep control of one organization and keep it on track (if that
was
ever the intent) so what is there to make me think this group isn't headed
down
the same track?


It is a free world, you should start your own organization and show us how it
should be done. If you are not willing to do that where do you come off
being
critical of those who are trying?

This isn't criticism. It was/is a question. If it proves to be more in line
with the old EAA I just might start supporting it. Fool me once - shame on
you. Fool me twice........

I'm going to wait and see.

but without the owners around to talk to...

Maybe the owners found that there were lots of fun thing to do :-)

One of the RVers with a turbonormalized engine was around his plane all
week explaining things (very gracious of him!) to one and all. Other
folks wanted to go see what was on the field, attend the forums, etc.

Two great ideas to come out of this thread:
* Promoting (and defending) GA is the business of all of us
* Post "visiting hours" on the prop card to improve communications

Ed Wischmeyer

On 14 Aug 2003 17:48:02 -0700, (Lou Parker) wrote:

I'm building a wood and fabric plane and would have loved to talk to
others about their planes but there were none to be found. I looked
for manufacturers of wooden kits but only Fisher had the gonads to
show their product.
If the wood kits are as good as we are led to believe, why don?t they
show us what they have to offer? I was told by my EAA adviser, that
all I would have to do is finish the plane and show up and I would win
every award given to the wooden builder. Now I know why.
Very Disappointed
Lou


I was disappointed too. There was far too much for me to see and too
many people to talk to. I wish it had lasted two weeks.

This lovely (wooden) Pietenpol was my favorite plane this year.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ousterj/oshkosh03.html

- John Ousterhout -

"John Ousterhout"
wrote in message ...
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This lovely (wooden) Pietenpol was my favorite plane this year.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ousterj/oshkosh03.html

- John Ousterhout -



Oh, delightful! Thanks agains and no Gator or cookie this time.

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"John Ousterhout" wrote in message
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On 14 Aug 2003 17:48:02 -0700, (Lou Parker) wrote:

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This lovely (wooden) Pietenpol was my favorite plane this year.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ousterj/oshkosh03.html

- John Ousterhout -




Oh No, Woodstock it dead?

Long live Woodstock!

In article v_M%a.168993$uu5.26937@sccrnsc04, "Cy Galley"
writes:


Did either of my kids become teachers?



If they did...you were not a very good teacher! ;-)

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

In article , "Ida Covey"
writes:


Jim:

Most white collar workers that I know are on-the-job at least 2200 hours per
year. (Ten holidays, three weeks of vacation.) Many work closer to 2400
hours per year. Teaching is a fine profession, but it isn't a full time
job.

I assume that you are campaigning to have schools in session, and teachers
employed, full time.

BJC



Well now isn't that the most short sighted view I have ever heard of? Teaching
is as full time a job as I know of and that includes most white collar workers.
Yes, most teachers get a couple of months off per year but how would you like
it if your company said you must work 10 months a year, accept the lowest pay
level of any college degree required job and not get paid for those two months?
If you knew anything at all about the teaching profession, you would go wash
your mouth out with soap.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

For the past three years, the yearly increase of pay has been less than the
increase of medical insurance that I pay. That means I make less per year.

Well I do insurance and i hate to tell you this, you will never see a pay
increase that will keep up with insurance costs. The 3 year average i have
seen on group medical plans here in wisconsin is about 12% a year rate
increase. I hate to tell you this, but i doubt you will ever see that big of a
raise.

In article ,
(CW9371) writes:


Bob, They work 10 months and get paid for 12 months. All depends on how u
look at it. Also there benefits, alteast here in wisconsin are very very
good
compared to alot of companies. Also where do u get that there the lowest
paid
of any college degree required job.
I know thats wrong as i started out as a reporter, you must have a college
degree for the job and well teachers got paid more here in wisconsin for a
starting wage. Also nurses may or may not get more then a teacher to start.
I
do agree that good teachers should be paid more, but how to u figure out
what
teachers are good is the problem. I know several of the teachers i had in
highschool were bad teachers, but they had been teaching at the school for
over
30 years so they were maxed out the pay scale but they were overpaid. sooo
what do we do...



Ok, I will give you that Wisconsin might be a bit better but the teachers I
know here in Texas are not quite as fortunate. I know a couple who both have
masters degrees and are teaching highschool. The have over 25 years on the job
and still make less on a combined salary than I made in my worst year. I know
several others who went to college, got their degrees only to have to go back
and get additional schooling to get teachers certificates and started at about
$20 a year. (Less than my daughter makes working part time as a dental
assistant.)


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

In article , writes:


It's very different state to state. Here in California if you start with a
BA
and an emergency credential it's an average starting salary of $34,180. The
average teacher here makes $54,348, and with 25 years and an MA it's in the
$70-80,000 range, depending on the district. Nationwide, starting salary
average is $30,719, average teacher salary is $44,367.

I know a 2nd grade teacher with 30 years in the same district and a PhD.
She's
getting $85k, and is about to retire (at 54 years old) on 75%. Because
she's
teaching 3rd grade she never has to grade a paper. She also goes to Japan 6
weeks every year and teaches English, for $2k a week.

Average teacher salary

California, $54,348
Michigan, $52,497
Connecticut, $52,376
Rhode Island, $51,619
New York, $51,020



Based on your figures, there are some states that are really pulling the
average down or there are very few holding the average up. A national
average
for all teachers of only 44K is pretty bad. Even then the starting salary is
low for the education required to start. By the way, how well could you live
in California or New York on only $50k per year? Could you afford a nice
home?

Bob, i usually agree with u, but a 44K a year salary with benefits is pretty
good. If you think that is pretty bad you need to take a look what the average
wages are in the US. If a couple makes 88K a year I would have to say that
alot of my clients would consider them rich. Since i know a lot of people
working in factories or banks for 10 or less an hour