Shooting at Lockheed Martin plant.

Jim Yanik waxed lyrical
:

Your version of "gun control" is really *people* control,gun control is
hitting what you are firing at.

No argument here. But then, some people need to be controlled and
certainly more than *some* people should be denied access to firearms,
and this is where I have the problem with the ban, it was a simplistic
knee-jerk reaction to poor vetting procedures which allowed unstable
people with a history of mental health problems to legally hold licenses
and firearms in spite of advice to the contrary (See Dunblane).


The authorities ever catch who killed Jill Dando,BBC commentator?

Yup, man jailed a year or more ago.


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Drewe
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:58:12 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik
wrote:

Drewe Manton wrote in
.4:

Jim Yanik waxed lyrical
:

Ever notice the shooting sprees happen where it's supposed to be a
"gun-
free" zone?

And by the same standard nearly every "shooting spree" carried out,
at least here in the UK, was carried out using legally held, properly
licensed weapons. In spite of my extreme opposition to the handgun ban
in this country, I do find that fact pretty telling.
Big fan of gun *control*, fierce opponent of gun *bans* here.


That's probably because the ones who have illegal guns don't do 'shooting
sprees'. But don't the Yardies do 'drive-bys'? ISTR that they do a fair
amount of gun crime.

Your version of "gun control" is really *people* control,gun control is
hitting what you are firing at.

Of course "gun control" is also "people control," but it makes more
sense to call it "gun control" than "people control" because everybody
knows "guns" are used by "people."

If you just called it "people control," nobody would have any fricking
idea what was being discussed. This is because "people" use many
things besides "guns."

Yes, "gun control" could be confused with the physical positioning of
a gun by a person, rather than legislative or judicial control of a
society's access to fireamrs. But I bet I can think of a hell of a lot
more alternate meanings of "people control" than "gun control."

By the way, I do own guns and am against bans on gun ownership. I just
get annoyed when people try to politisize semantics. As if it really
matters whether one calls the glass half full or half empty.


The authorities ever catch who killed Jill Dando,BBC commentator?

El *******o El wrote in
:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:58:12 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik
wrote:

Drewe Manton wrote in
. 1.4:

Jim Yanik waxed lyrical
:

Ever notice the shooting sprees happen where it's supposed to be a
"gun-
free" zone?

And by the same standard nearly every "shooting spree" carried
out,
at least here in the UK, was carried out using legally held,
properly licensed weapons. In spite of my extreme opposition to the
handgun ban in this country, I do find that fact pretty telling.
Big fan of gun *control*, fierce opponent of gun *bans* here.


That's probably because the ones who have illegal guns don't do
'shooting sprees'. But don't the Yardies do 'drive-bys'? ISTR that
they do a fair amount of gun crime.

Your version of "gun control" is really *people* control,gun control
is hitting what you are firing at.

Of course "gun control" is also "people control," but it makes more
sense to call it "gun control" than "people control" because everybody
knows "guns" are used by "people."

If you just called it "people control," nobody would have any fricking
idea what was being discussed. This is because "people" use many
things besides "guns."

Yes, "gun control" could be confused with the physical positioning of
a gun by a person, rather than legislative or judicial control of a
society's access to fireamrs. But I bet I can think of a hell of a lot
more alternate meanings of "people control" than "gun control."

By the way, I do own guns and am against bans on gun ownership. I just
get annoyed when people try to politisize semantics. As if it really
matters whether one calls the glass half full or half empty.


The authorities ever catch who killed Jill Dando,BBC commentator?



Well,my opinion on this is that most 'gun control' denies people their
choice to defend themselves and their homes/property,without due process.
And yes,there are many forms of "people control".

Most criminals seem well able to bypass gun control laws,if they wish to
have a firearm,no matter what country.

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Jim Yanik,NRA member
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PS;since this is off-topic for this NG,that's the last of my comments on
this.Feel free to visit talk.politics.guns for any further discussion.



--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
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Jim Yanik wrote:

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in
:


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
SNIP
Yep he was a loner who had been thrown out of his local
gun club and the TA (equivalent to national guard)

Keith




Wouldn't that have resulted in the confiscation of his guns and permits? I
also thought handguns had to be 'safe stored' in secure facilities like a
gun club,in UK.



Using NZ as an example...
Individual gun owners can keep their firearms in their own home (in an
approved safe). The police (or suitable civilian) actually come round
and check your security arrangements. The weapon must be in the safe,
except when it is in transit to/from: a pistol club, a shooting event, a
gunsmith, the police..... during which time it must be kept in a secure
container at all times ... with a few exceptions.. like cleaning,
shooting at a range, examination by a suitable person.

Getting the boot from your gun club means that you shouldn't be able to
accumulate the required number of visits (but the police only check that
out annually... they don't worry about your day to day habits, just that
you attend at least 12 "club days" a year).

Unless the club actually tells the police that the individual has been
kicked out of their club the police won't know (and the individual could
join another club...).

The police would only be in a position to start proceedings to cancel
the individual's pistol licence if the club tell them that they no
longer believe that they are a suitable person to have a licence... and
the police will then have fun carrying through the cancellation of the
licence. Much easier to just step in if they fail to attend the required
number of club days (easier to prove the case).

Note that they won't seize the guns... the person will be given time to
dispose of them.