Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20? (not mxmaniac infested)

On 6/13/2007 12:13:23 PM, gwengler wrote:

For example, the guy who got into ice
at 16,000 ft. with a Cirrus, lost control, and either didn't pull or
pulled at a speed too high (chute ripped to pieces) - I forgot.

In this accident, a case could also be made for the pilot taking extra risks
due to the installed TKS anti-icing system.

--
Peter

The Visitor wrote:
A 182 is an established and mature design. Foundair is building what
they call The Expedition. Not yet certified, but is a tricycle version
of the Bushhawk, with some improvements. I think I heard it was 8 inches
wider.
http://64.34.128.140/home.aspx
I only mention it to inform. I rather like it myself, but it is not for me.

Their website still needs some work so that the logo does not block the
information when one clicks on a link.

Thomas Borchert wrote in
:

Gwengler,

a) parachute equipped airplane pilots tend to assume greater
risk ("all I have to do is to pull the handle")


Any kind of factual support for that statement? Even a hint would
surprise me.


Did you see the interview with NY Yankee pitcher Corey Lidel done
shortly before his fatal crash into an apartment building while trying to
turn around over the East River? He kept repeating how safe his Cirrus was
because all you had to do is reach up and pop the chute if any problem
arose.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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"Marty Shapiro" wrote in message
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Thomas Borchert wrote in
:

Gwengler,

a) parachute equipped airplane pilots tend to assume greater
risk ("all I have to do is to pull the handle")


Any kind of factual support for that statement? Even a hint would
surprise me.


Did you see the interview with NY Yankee pitcher Corey Lidel done
shortly before his fatal crash into an apartment building while trying to
turn around over the East River? He kept repeating how safe his Cirrus
was
because all you had to do is reach up and pop the chute if any problem
arose.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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No, although it is interesting, and somewhat troubling, psychology.

Peter

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:26:16 -0400, Peter R. wrote:

In this accident, a case could also be made for the pilot taking extra
risks due to the installed TKS anti-icing system.

According to what I just read in some magazine, the forecast had no
mention of ice. However, perhaps the TKS lulled the pilot when he first
saw it forming.

- Andrew

El Maximo wrote:
"gwengler" wrote in message
oups.com...

As far as utility goes, the C182 is unbeatable in
that class. Look at weight, weight & balance issues, short field take
off and landing distances, winter operation, rough airfield operation,
etc. etc.

Two friends of mine got stranded by weather on their way back from Oshkosh a
couple years back. They rented an Expedition to drive home, but couldn't fit
everything in the plane into the SUV.



That has urban legend written all over it.

Matt

nice
"The Visitor" wrote in message
...
A 182 is an established and mature design. Foundair is building what they
call The Expedition. Not yet certified, but is a tricycle version of the
Bushhawk, with some improvements. I think I heard it was 8 inches wider.

http://64.34.128.140/home.aspx

I only mention it to inform. I rather like it myself, but it is not for
me.

John



gwengler wrote:

I would also agree that going from a C182 to am SR20 would be a
downgrade. The SR20 is much more comparable to a C172 with the
exception of speed. As far as utility goes, the C182 is unbeatable in
that class. Look at weight, weight & balance issues, short field take
off and landing distances, winter operation, rough airfield operation,
etc. etc.
Be very careful about your view of the parachute. Cirrus airplanes do
not have a better safety record than other airplanes. Two main
reasons, a) parachute equipped airplane pilots tend to assume greater
risk ("all I have to do is to pull the handle") and b) it is a very
difficult decision to actually pull the handle and many pilots so far
in Cirrus airplanes have not pulled it when they should have.

Gerd
ATP, based in CZBA

Gwengler,

My
statement is only based on my belief


Ah! I'm not much into beliefs.

One thing you say has me stumped, though: The Lidle accident has
exactly zip to do with the presence of the chute. There is simply no
possible connection. Clue me in, please!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Marty,

Did you see the interview with NY Yankee pitcher Corey Lidel done
shortly before his fatal crash into an apartment building while trying to
turn around over the East River? He kept repeating how safe his Cirrus was
because all you had to do is reach up and pop the chute if any problem
arose.


Non sequitur!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Peter R. wrote:
On 6/13/2007 11:00:31 AM, "El Maximo" wrote:

They rented an Expedition to drive home, but couldn't fit
everything in the plane into the SUV.

Are you sure it was an Expedition? I could see that with a Ford Explorer, but
an Expedition? Having a tough time accepting this one.


I can believe it. I had a full up Chevy Suburban and the interior
volume was about the same as I could pack in the Navion (using the
baggage compartment and the rear seats).

The 182 isn't any smaller on the inside than the Navion (about the
same I believe).