One, big sh*t-eating grin...!

Bob Noel wrote:


I only flew a C-150 once, did most of my primary in a C-172,
and don't remember my CFI telling me to lead my turns.

You didn't use rudder for your turns in a 172? I learned in a 172, and
IIRC a turn without rudder was uncoordinated.

I only flew a C-150 once, did most of my primary in a C-172,
and don't remember my CFI telling me to lead my turns.

You didn't use rudder for your turns in a 172? I learned in a 172, and
IIRC a turn without rudder was uncoordinated.

Joe's instructor flies primarily tail-wheel aircraft. His main ride
is a 1929 Travel Air -- so you KNOW he knows what a rudder is for.

He thinks tricycle gear aircraft aren't the best to train in -- but
the only tail-dragger available for rent on the field is a Citabria,
and it's not available for primary flight instruction.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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RomeoMike wrote:

I only flew a C-150 once, did most of my primary in a C-172,
and don't remember my CFI telling me to lead my turns.

You didn't use rudder for your turns in a 172?

Yes, I do use rudder. Perhaps I don't understand exactly
what is meant by leading a turn. I assumed it was using
rudder first instead of simultaneous use of aileron and rudder.
Is that incorrect?

I learned in a 172, and
IIRC a turn without rudder was uncoordinated.

I agree.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

I might have been teaching it wrong for forty years, but I was taught
simultaneous aileron and rudder.

One of the best exercises I know of for teaching coordination are mild dutch
rolls, say 20° or so of bank continuous left and right for a few miles. It
wears the student out pretty fast until they get the hang of it, but
thereafter their turns are a thing of joy to behold. You can do it coming
home from the practice area until you are almost into the pattern and it
provides a good opportunity to lift a wing and see what is underneath as
well.

Jim

--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in
the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown


Yes, I do use rudder. Perhaps I don't understand exactly
what is meant by leading a turn. I assumed it was using
rudder first instead of simultaneous use of aileron and rudder.
Is that incorrect?

Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Bob,

Are there CFI's that don't know the word "rudder"? am
I fortunate to have had some pretty good instructors?


I'm trying to say that rudder usage is often undertaught.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jay Honeck wrote:
Just a few hours after his lesson he was lambasting me for not
teaching him to "lead his turns with the rudder".

Bob Noel wrote:
eh?
You need to use rudder to lead turns in a Cherokee?
I only flew a C-150 once, did most of my primary in a C-172,
and don't remember my CFI telling me to lead my turns.

That's because neither you nor your instructor were/are taildragger pilots.

Come again? I've got about 2300 hours in taildraggers and once they are a
sheet of paper off the runway, they fly just like a nosewheel airplane.

Enlighten me. My first fifteen years of flying must have been all wrong.

Jim

--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in
the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown


"john smith" wrote in message
...


That's because neither you nor your instructor were/are taildragger
pilots.

In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:

Are there CFI's that don't know the word "rudder"? am
I fortunate to have had some pretty good instructors?

I'm trying to say that rudder usage is often undertaught.

roger.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Gosh, your story brings back memories. I soloed on my 15th birthday and got
my certificate on my 16th. I think I probably had the same "category" of
grin on both occasions.

Congratualtions. You and your wife have obviously done a good job of stying
close to your son within a terrific family.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
My son's first flight lesson came off as planned today, despite nasty
weather all around. Amazingly, as if by magic, the skies cleared and
the winds calmed, right at the appointed time.

Joe walked over to the airport from the hotel, after working several
hours on the pool and in our future "Flying Tigers Suite". It's
certainly handy, working just 400 yards from the airport...

Almost three hours later, his flight instructor dropped him off in the
lobby, and there was my 16-year-old son, logbook tucked under his arm,
walking through the door as if his feet were still not touching the
ground.

What a grin! You could see that his face was starting to hurt, from
stretching so far and for so long, but still that gigantic, self-
satisfied grin remained firmly in place. His hands moved like moths
flitting around a flame, and he simply could not sit down, as he
excitedly told us that "Gary let me land the plane!" -- and he had
"greased it on"!

He went on and on, while Mary and I just laughed and laughed,
remembering that giddy, wonderful, almost-scared-but-way-excited
feeling when we first took those initial steps into the sky.

Tomorrow he starts ground-reference maneuvers. What fun!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Gosh, your story brings back memories. I soloed on my 15th birthday and got
my certificate on my 16th. I think I probably had the same "category" of
grin on both occasions.

Congratualtions. You and your wife have obviously done a good job of stying
close to your son within a terrific family.

My main goal, ahead of everything else, is that my son earn the
privileges of flight NOW, when we're still able to help him do it.

Like a fool (more like an ignoramus) I blew it off till I was 35 years
old, and wasted three decades on the ground, looking up. Then I had
to do it while I had little babies underfoot, whilst trying to pay for
a home and all the other expenses that go with a young family.

Hopefully, Joe will be able to enjoy general aviation without quite so
much angst...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"